But Alexander, the Green Loonies want “Climate Justice!!!!” I’ve grown tired of all the “justice” causes. Especially when they are built on BS, as is frequently the case.
Comment on Challenges to understanding the role of the ocean in climate science by jim2
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Comment on Challenges to understanding the role of the ocean in climate science by Antonio (AKA "Un físico")
Carol you want to understand “how much heat and carbon the ocean absorbs”. And you Carol say “the ocean reacts more slowly than the atmosphere to changes in heat but also stores this heat and releases it over longer time periods”.
Many scientists (many experts in oceanic climate change) are confused with the rol of oceans. The main issue there is to distinguish between solar heat and greenhouse radiation heat.
In my non expert opinion: (1) oceans do not absorb any heat from greenhouse radiation and (2) most of ARGO’s measurements must be appropriately systematized.
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Comment on We are all confident idiots by R. Gates
“I think the difference is that the real scientist takes on board the evidence presented against his theory and either adjusts the theory or abandons it.”
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Yep. But more than that, the best practice is to actually seek out the evidence that might disprove your theory, putting more effort into that then searching only that which might confirm your theory. This is the hallmark of rational skepticism and avoids confirmation bias.
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Comment on We are all confident idiots by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.2
Joseph, “Being skeptical of the efforts of vested interests to undermine the mainstream position of scientists is not engaging in conspiracy related thinking period.”
There is nothing wrong with being skeptical, taking it to extremes like accusing anyone that disagrees with you as being in the pocket of big whatever, is implying that big whatever is out to get ya. How often to hear people blame the world not adopting their absolutely perfect ideas on big oil, big tobacco, big coal or whatever? Sometimes “perfect ideas” suck. Get over it.
The great Satan Bush the younger was all aboard with regulations to limit black carbon and generally recognized air pollution, which is not contrary to typical Republican principles but Hansen went ballistic that it was not enough. Since then Hansen has chained himself to coal plant fences and admitted that black carbon was likely underestimated.
You have to be rational to have a rational conversation and the pervasive paranoia that big whatever is out to get you is a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Comment on We are all confident idiots by Joshua
Rob -
Because I don’t think that you addressed my point, and essentially just repeated the same flawed approach to uncertainty.
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Comment on We are all confident idiots by jim2
Brent says:
“John Hofmeister was President of Shell until a few years ago when he retired Prior to retirement he was on a 50 city tour communicating his message (what i would call a charm tour) Here’s one of his presentations and it’s worthwhile to scrutinize carefully”
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At about 5:30 min in that video, he begins to point out that we have trillions of barrels of oil left to produce. Same with nat gas and coal. We are not going to run out of liquid fuels anytime soon.
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Comment on We are all confident idiots by steven
No doubt the oil companies are driving the alarmist train to try and eliminate the coal competition. Wonder how much they pay.
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Comment on Challenges to understanding the role of the ocean in climate science by R. Gates
This study is in line with other multi-proxy studies that show the present rate of ocean warming in the Pacific is extraordinary over the past 10,000 years. Note here, the operative word is “rate”. We are right at the point where that rate leads to the actual warmest Pacific in the past 10,000 years.
As a skeptic, I take all studies with a skeptical eye, but I never let that skepticism lead me to not accept a study as likely confirming other studies. Science is built on skepticism but it does advance, bit by bit.
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Comment on We are all confident idiots by Rob Starkey
Gates
What reliable scientific evidence makes you think that a world with higher levels of CO2 is unfavorable for the US or the world overall? if the rate of warming is significantly slower than believed by the IPCC, and the rate of sea level rise virtually unchanged from the long term rate of change- what is your largest fear of the rise in CO2.
Is it fair to summarize your real concern that the rate of warming may increase significantly and that more bad things may happen if that occurs?
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Comment on Challenges to understanding the role of the ocean in climate science by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.2
R. Gates, does the study determine how unprecedented the rate of cooling from 1200 to 1700 AD was?
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Comment on We are all confident idiots by Marlo Lewis
Dunning’s commentary (minus the undeserved praise of Lewandowsky) restates the pedagogical premise of Plato’s dialogues. Those playfully serious works invite us to discover our own ignorance in the specific blind spots that define the all-too-human archetypes represented by Socrates’ interlocutors. Does Dunning realize he is another one of Whitehead’s footnotes to Plato?
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Comment on We are all confident idiots by Danny Thomas
Dave & John Carter,
I come to this site as a non scientist, in order to gain perspective.
Dave, in your note to Dr. Curry discussing culture I’ve found that these blogs have cultures of their own. In the most extreme (fringe) sites, I’ve dived in after declaring that I’m not a scientist but I am a voter. Interestingly, on many sites I’ve expressed perspectives and been pummeled for doing so (both sides). I’ve learned that “fresh eyes” can sometimes help folks look at things differently and perspective is valuable so I speak up from time to time on things that seem out of context or inaccurate, to me. So many have reached the end of their journey and it’s hard to get them to look back to when they began.
John, my perception (and forgive me for stepping in here) is that your generalization of this site is quite different from mine. There are multiple dynamics occurring. The politics, if removed via filter, has a definite bent that I think you observe. But the discussion of the climate issues I find to be reasoned. When I say climate issues (after removing politics) I’m thinking: policy, psychology, science, and others. When anyone, starting from whatever position they lean, tosses out a concept, most here take on the topic and not the person (unless there’s a history). Now you’ve likely been visiting here longer than I and are more scientifically oriented than I, but sans politics (which I try to filter) the meat of the discussion I find to be reasonable, fair, and well thought. The folks here won’t let one get away with much less. IMO. Do you truly see it differently?
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Comment on Week in review by jhprince2014
it’s the snarky, all-knowing responses that seem anecdotal to me.
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Comment on Week in review by Willard
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Comment on Week in review by jim2
It is known that heat deposited in the ocean at the equator is ferried to the poles where it is released into space. That release of heat into space is why it’s cold at the poles
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Comment on Week in review by RiHo08
Trenberth declairs hiatus is over! Trenberth predicts massive ElNino.
Trenberth predicts weather in 2100
Trenberth predicts….
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Comment on Week in review by Wagathon
Missed one in Philosophy Explained:
RAND – It’s worth someone’s time to bend over and pick up fried dough.
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Comment on Week in review by R. Gates
Wow, nice to turn a “hiatus”, which was the warmest decade on record into a “decade of cooling” ahead. Very very unlikely that we’ll see a “decade of cooling” this century…a decade of flat temperatures, yes, but not “cooling”, short of a mega-volcano or two going off.
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Comment on Week in review by sunshinehours1
We can use satellites! And 2014 isn’t very warm.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/uah
Or we could use thermometers in parking lots to try and scare people into giving them more money.
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Comment on Week in review by jhprince2014
Lawyerly responses for defense are a cop out for civil resolutions.
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