Let’s see, “At 32 C all die!”, “The oceans may boil”, It’s game over for humanity.” versus “heating oil prices will spike and food riots.”
I think that climate science has won the alarmist internet. Could be wrong though. Perhaps we need a comprehensive list?
Where is Global Warming when we need it? Ground truth:
FoxNews. “Early Winter Pummels Much of Country, Strands Motorists, Emergency Vehicles.” Text.Article. FoxNews.com, November 19, 2014. http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2014/11/19/early-winter-pummels-much-country-strands-cars/
“Several feet of lake-effect snow paralyzed the Buffalo area Tuesday, forcing state troopers to deliver blankets and other supplies to motorists stranded on the New York State Thruway and adding an ominous note to a wintry season that’s already snarling travel and numbing fingers from the Midwest to the Carolinas.” (All 50 states, even Hawaii).
Where is the polar vortex now?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-17/polar-vortex-20-arrives-all-50-states-will-freeze-tonight (Nov 17, 2014)
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/polar-vortex-to-vist-central-u/36890008 (Nov 08, 2014)
Meridional flow in spades:
As you pointed out:
GOP Prepares for an Energy Battle | TIME
The coming climate onslaught – Andrew Restuccia and Erica Martinson – POLITICO
The Insiders: Congress can derail Obama’s global warming fantasies – The Washington Post
That’s right. If left-leaning people were concerned about global warming, they would have showed up to keep the Dimowits in power. They didn’t. Ditto for immigration and “The War on Women.”
I’d much rather import oil from our friendly stable neighbor Canada than Venezuela!
Oil sands provide one of the few interim fuels able to carry us over to cost effective sustainable fuels.
PA, isn’t Canada still a US ally? I thought NAFTA was all about North America playing nice together.
The county hospital is the training hospital for one of the higher ranked medical schools in the United States, so his doctors were either residents or MD professors at the medical school.
The system is geared toward delaying/denying medical care to the poor due to habitual underfunding.
ObamaSCARE was obviously vastly better in his case.
And ditto for Obamacare.
Well, Mr. Gates…
It is hard to tell what is happening.
Is the ocean in equilibrium with current forcings and atmospheric temperatures? Probably not because of the huge thermal inertia.
What is the equilibrium point? This is a rather important question because it drives sea level and global temperature. LW radiation doesn’t heat the ocean effectively (unlike UV). Since temperatures are near the peak of a periodic 1000 year warm period, I would expect some further warming and sea level rise – the MWP was warmer with a higher sea level.
I’m interested in 2020 temperatures since we will be seeing the effect of a low UV period on the ocean now that the solar maximum seems to be over.
“Sigh”, reply to wrong thread – but I do like Bob Tisdale’s site and his well illustrated analysis.
Not decades of propaganda but rather an understanding that refusing to pay legal debts isn’t a good way to restrain future spending. It is however effective in that it destroys the good faith and credit established which made and continues to make borrowing possible. Even if the treasury is “only” forced to take extraordinary measures to prioritize spending to get by for a month or three while the partisan circus in D.C. plays out it destabilizes financial markets and thereby harms the public.
Try working to elect representatives who will restrain spending through fiscal responsibility not threats of non-payment. Being a blowhard blog complainer isn’t accomplishing anything but at least you’re bright enough to be anonymous about it. That much of your agenda is at least understandable.
ECONOMIC SUICIDE!!!11 HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF STARVING CHILDREN11!!!! THE END OF SCIENCE AS WE KNOW IT!!!111 ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT!!111!!!!! THE DESTRUCTION OF CAPITALISM!!!!!11! A NEW ICE AGE!!!!1 CONSENSUS POLICE!!!!11 LYSENKO!!! NEO-McCARTHYISM!!!!!1 STALIN!!!!1 ISIS!!!!11 EBOLA1!!!!!
That’s merely data. What do the models say?
David L. Hagen: The worst of the cooling cycle, Casey predicts, will hit in the late 2020s and the early 2030s.
Food riots will break out, demand for heating oil will spike, and the failure of the corn crop will put the squeeze on ethanol.
He even predicts the United States will ban agricultural exports to feed its own citizens.
Maybe. He isn’t the only solar theorist making this prediction.
The precautionary principle puts us in a perplexing position: we must do everything in our power to prevent this cooling, but we must do everything in our power to prevent the warming of which we have warned.
While resolving our perplexity, we can keep score among the many predictions of doom. Maybe Ehrlich and Holdren will see the writings of Casey, and go back to their cooling alarmism of the 70s.
Joshua
‘My point is to express my gratitude to “skeptics” as a group for their willingness to stand up to the “consensus police” and fight the good fight against the “alarmists.”
There is no such group. All of your attempts to define such a group are
non scientific and show your continued motivated reasoning. You cannot help but see patterns and similarities.
The one way you can diminish the frequency of tribalist statements you make is to address what ACTUAL INDIVIDUALS write.
Casey is a nut. he is wrong.
Hagen is Shill for nonsense.
speaking of perplexity, as I was, … .
I read most of Steven Mosher’s posts and skip most of Joshua’s posts, and today tumbled onto this:
Joshua
Thanks god we have “skeptics” around to prevent the “alarmists” from getting away with their hoax!
shucks
I’m not against welfare, generally speaking. I am against big government, however. We need a true safety net. It should be implemented as some variation of a negative income tax and shouldn’t make the recipient very comfortable. This should take the place of all welfare programs.
For the old and infirm, we should combine medicare, obamacare, and social security into one program. This should take the place of all medical care welfare. It should be means based meaning someone would have had to expend their assets before they could qualify for the program. Charity for these people should be deducted from gross income for tax purposes.
There would have to be other details, but this would be a good start.
Did you notice the difference between the EPA and ERCOT estimate for implementing energy efficiency across the grid? ERCOT guessed they might get 5% from energy efficiency and the EPA thinks they could do 10% by 2030. The problem for ERCOT is that energy savings result in lower demand spread across a expanding asset base. In effect they will have to raise prices to offset losses to efficiency gains. Same thing is happening in cities with severe water shortages – the citizens cut use (revenues) then the water department has to raise prices to cover fixed costs.
Jack Smith
quick update: the Senate did not approve the Keystone XL pipeline, and 3 of the votes against were the lameduck Democratic “Marks”: Pryor of AR, Udall of CO, and Begich of AK. Assuming that the “Aye” votes don’t switch, that bodes well for the approval by the new Congress.
Casey is a nut….
Hagen is Shill…
Well, you’re certainly entitled to make it about calling people names, passing judgement on their sanity, or their intelligence. You’re entitled to judge their motivations.
Instead, I see it as a matter of observable patterns, that get repeated over and over, revealed through empirical evidence, in how people reason when assessing risk in the face of uncertainty.
I say tomato, you say tomahto.
That’s why they make chocolate and vanilla.
