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November 19, 2014, 9:39 am

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@ tonyb

Re: http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2014/10/Lang-3.jpg
(Net benefit per 5-years)

As with all these plots of ‘gains/losses’ resulting from ACO2 induced climate change, in this case projected for the remainder of this century, the whole thing is based on a skyscraper of ‘SWAG’s’, hold the ‘S’.

I think that in this case, since it is being viewed and passed along on the internet, it is safe to say that it is worth the paper it is printed on.

Should it be transferred to actual, tangible, paper–not so much.

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Comment on Climate/Energy Policy and the GOP Congress by Stephen Segrest

November 19, 2014, 9:48 am

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Jim2 — There is of course, no problem in anyone stating their opinion. You believe solar is inadequate and costly technology and should not be funded. No problem with you stating your opinion (although I and many others disagree).

The problem is criticizing solar on the principle that the Federal Government should not be intervening in the Free Market — and then having a deaf ear to nuclear project DOE Loan guarantees. This is inconsistent.

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And again I will say that IMO, Obama was absolutely correct in providing loan support to Vogtle (and his attempt to provide guarantees to 16 other new nuclear projects that was blocked by Congress). IMO, the real problem with nuclear isn’t technology but that of public perceptions. Having 17 new nuclear units up and running safely would have gone a long way in changing public perceptions in the U.S.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by JCH

November 20, 2014, 6:16 am

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Aaron – that is why pork was the preferred meat. It took marketing and grain finishing to change that.

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November 20, 2014, 6:19 am

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I can stop at “Joshua”? Seriously? You think that’s possible? They’re right, you really are full of yourself.

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November 20, 2014, 6:30 am

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John Carter, You know if you want to have a great debate with Dr. Curry, who has a published paper she co-authored that hinted at a long term ~300 year trend in climate, “Stadium Wave” with Marcia Wyatt, why not dive right into that controversy?

I believe the current “consensus” is that there is little to no possibility that such a long term response could contribute more that 50% of the “unprecedented” 20th century warming since “novel” statistical methods used on primarily tree ring based Paleo data seems to “prove” that climate change was very small prior to industrial impacts. I use “prove” because the controversial methods have been “replicated” so many times there is little doubt aka extreme confidence that “natural variability” can be greater than ~+/-0.1 C degrees.

The chart above compares an Indo-Pacific Warm Pool SST reconstruction by Oppo et al. 2009 with NODC estimates of 0-700 meter “global” ocean temperature anomaly. Laynecks” like myself believe it is entirely possible for there to be long term persistent trends in ocean heat gain/loss of around 0.8C equivalent per 300 years, at least in the upper 700 meter bulk mixing layer.

Now is your chance to set all the “skeptics” and “laynecks*” straight.

* Layneck, def. a redneck that can read.

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November 20, 2014, 6:30 am

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Yes. Really.
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It really isn’t necessary to whine about people who write comments that you don’t like. You really can just not read them. You really don’t “have” to read them. Really.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by kim

November 20, 2014, 6:35 am

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Corn, that is, maize, was fed to pigs and fermented and distilled into alcohol because it was cheaper to transport the value thusly processed.
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November 20, 2014, 6:35 am

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Really – check this out:

==> “Trying to sift through your lengthy dissertations for such is very painful for me, and my interpretation of other’s comments as well. ”

“Very painful.” I mean, really – that kind of drama-queening is worth noting, I think. He chooses to read comments, then says that he doesn’t want to “have to” read the comments, because they are “very painful.”

I think that kind of logic is hilarious.

Really.

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November 20, 2014, 6:37 am

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Through the Lens (@woodyjohn1) | November 19, 2014 at 4:35 pm |
“AS a horticulturist and Erosion control specialist, I have spent my life trying to make people understand that AGW is a distraction to the real issues that we face, i.e. degradation of our soils”

How old are you?

“soil loss due to erosion and salinity are problems that impact on what we eat, how much we have to eat and our ability to avoid mass starvation into the future. ”

Forget all this alarmism about AGW……we’re all going to starve to death because soil degradation.

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November 20, 2014, 6:39 am

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Amazing.

Who created this option?

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November 20, 2014, 6:41 am

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It’s a dead heat which is more painful, Joshua’s or John’s. On any given day the one doles out the dolor; the next, the other. It’s tag team pain.
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Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by kim

November 20, 2014, 6:42 am

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Yeah, anthropogenic warming and greening will keep the food coming. Aren’t you glad?
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November 20, 2014, 6:44 am

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Drama queening?
Hardly. Ask yourself why you must discount all the data
That suggests your approach causes people discomfort
You discount it because it doesn’t match the image you have of yourself.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Michael

November 20, 2014, 6:46 am

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But kim, the cold, the bitter cold, the cataclysmic, catastrophic cold that’s coming….think of the plants!

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November 20, 2014, 6:49 am

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Sorry boyz -

I’d like to read your comments, but it’s just too “painful.”

And it’s your fault.

Well, either that or it’s the fault of the “website creators” because they haven’t created a mute button.

So much pain so many people endure from reading blog comments!

Oh, THE HUMANITY!!!!!1!!

You boyz are hilarious (or perhaps in kim’s case, girlz?).

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November 20, 2014, 6:52 am

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The light dawns, eh, Michael? And you alarmists have put the world in a tizzy over piddling anthropogenic warming and greening, provably net beneficial.
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November 20, 2014, 6:52 am

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John Carter | November 20, 2014 at 7:48 am | Reply
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… a page or two of null content

Well climate scientists claim they do, with enough degree of confidence – not the exact range, but a likely range, and it’s relevant enough to make some sort of assessment. Many are pulling their hair out, asking “why can’t/won’t the public get it.”
… several pages of null content.

TLDR. Longest most content free post I have seen at ClimateEtc.

I did spot one statement as I paged past it, about the scientists certainty and frustration…

Gee. The sea level during the MWP was about 6 inches higher than today (about 85 years at the current rate of sea level rise)..

Steric sea level is the dominant factor in sea level this would imply the MWP was significantly warmer, since a significant part of the current sea level rise is “CO2 polar ice melting” that would not have happened in the MWP.

Until we exceed the MWP sea level we are still in the natural range of climate variation. The hair pulling by the scientists is difficult to understand or justify.

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November 20, 2014, 7:06 am

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==> “Who created this option?”

A brilliant option like that? Must have been a conservative. Libz aren’t smart enough.

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November 20, 2014, 7:12 am

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Well, the real question is how low does the net insolation have to get to trigger a return to the ice age? I’ve seen a number of 2 W/m2 (better scholarship is welcome).

If so we are dancing on a fine edge here and more CO2 even with its seemingly small forcing may be helpful. We should investigate ways to trigger more methane/CO2 release in case it starts cooling too much.

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November 20, 2014, 7:20 am

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If not to late for this thread, tonyb and nottawa, here is a comparison of ocean heat content (actually 0-700 meter temperature anomaly) to the Oppo IPWP.

I even made a post on what I think are the issues with sorting out solar and volcanic forcing impact.

http://redneckphysics.blogspot.com/2014/11/why-is-volcanic-forcing-so-hard-to.html