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Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Michael

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“Alarmist” cries kim of the coming cold apocalypse.


Comment on We are all confident idiots by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.2

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I don’t think net isolation triggers shifts into and out of ice ages all that often. If it did there wouldn’t be irregularities in the glaciation and solar cycles. Ice/snow is the main factor and it has a lot more influences other than just the sun, like ash, earthquakes, extreme tides, types of vegetation migratory herds, impact events etc. It seems the over emphasis on CO2 forcing has caused people to lose sight of the real deal with Ice ages, Ice.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Wagathon

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You ‘gotta love that Google article about, “Why google stopped R&D in renewable energy.”

How will we remove CO2 from the air?

We’ve just got to remove every black spec from the sand on America’s beaches or remaining at >350ppm of CO2 means disaster and we can’t do it so, lets party –e.g., dire consequences: shifting climatic zones, freshwater shortages, eroding coasts, and ocean acidification, among others.

It’s that, “among others,” that’s really fearsome. Maybe… Ebola! Is it any wonder the fall of Western Civilization that we’re witnessing in our lifetime seems nigh irreversible? The information age has given birth to Moby Nihilism. It’s like we need 40 years of wandering in the desert waiting for everyone now living to die before humanity has a chance at moving forward again.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.2

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That is a good article. I especially liked seeing this said, ” Small operators, with far less infrastructure than a utility company and far more derring-do, might experiment more freely and come up with valuable innovations more quickly.” Let’s see some alarmists with “derring-do” focus on solving problems instead of creating them.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by nickels

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@Matthew
“Agricultural scientists get out in the fields a lot. Please don’t knock them as a class.”

I hear you and I don’t doubt they learn a ton. All I’m saying is that if I wanted to start a farm I would not go talk to an academic. I would find a farmer whose been at it for 50 years….

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Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Randomengineer de Leather

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the locavore movement seems to be popular in atypical and confined temperate geographic patches where obtaining a ‘local’ and wide fresh food variety year round isn’t a dream. like, oh I don’t know, the SF bay area.

whenever I hear people nattering re locavore issues, if I were king I’d have them forcibly relocated to a small town 40 minutes from Fargo for 5 years to illustrate the actual problem (one that I am convinced they simply have no concept of.) at the end of that time I’d be happy to hear what they think would work for that town. until then, not so much.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Joshua

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==> “Is it any wonder the fall of Western Civilization that we’re witnessing in our lifetime seems nigh irreversible? ”

But thanks god, we have some “skeptics” around to perhaps save us from the “alarmists.”


Comment on We are all confident idiots by Danny Thomas

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John,

I don’t know what else I can say to make it clear that I’m not “you guys”.
I read all that you write. I look up and analyse (to the best of my ability) your references. I do the same from all sides.

I do appreciate your passion.

I see your point that the argument should be expressed in ranges, and that make sense. But a criticism of the AGW side is that the AGW side provided the specific projections that have not come about as being accurate. So if there is some challenge with the communication, that was initiated by the AGW side. AGW says, “more frequent and stronger hurricanes”. Quite specific and totally wrong. (Just one example). So I’m having difficulty accepting the word of the climate authorities. This does not mean I accept ONLY the skeptic side. This evaluation came from my own “lying eyes”.

So, for me, it will take evidence that falls more accurately to the results. In my own elementary way, I’m okay with the risk/reward analysis as it stands. More time with more study.

In fact (and she needs no assistance from me) I’ve thought about how Dr. Curry must realize her influence in this discussion as a reasonable authority stating publicly of not denying warming but questioning methodology. It takes broad shoulders to carry that weight. I doubt that very large checks are forthcoming, so what good reason would she have to put herself out there continually instead of sitting on a tropical island (that she owns) sipping her beverage of choice?

This is not personal. I don’t think you’re an idiot, and if the passion is removed (human nature) I’m not sure others do either.

But if I’m looking at a column of prediction (from AGW side) laid side by side with results, the comparison is not convincing (yet) to me. Therefore, for me to then accept the strict AGW story would (to me then) be illogical.This is how I think about this discussion. I can’t change how I think except slowly. And I’m not sure (yet) that I should.

I might be naieve, but one of the columnar evaluations is “fossil fuel backed skepticism” opposed with “government grants” and those arguments cancel each other out in my little bitty brain, as political noise. And to be clear, I’m a fan of research for research sake. Enlightenment for enlightenment’s sake I’m happy to fund with my tax dollars.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Wagathon

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Let’s mobilize the children to their contribute pennies — to be matched by Google and Apple and Tesla and GM and Ben and Jerry — and with that, we can reverse, eroding coasts, and ocean acidification, and save a world chokablock with the looming disaster that capitalism and respect for individual liberty hath wrought. Fighting global warming is the Left’s WWIII and America is the enemy.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by JCH

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You would be okay, but mostly because most farmers who have succeeded at farming for 50 years are pretty plugged into agricultural science. My Dad’s best ranching client was Hank. Hank was brilliant at grazing management, and essentially controlled the gazing land in an entire county, and it’s a big one. He learned it from his Dad, who homesteaded the land. Hank used to get drunk and ride his horse into the local bars. He and his horse would stand at the bar and order drinks for the house. A freakin’ real cowboy living in the wrong century. His son got some sort of agricultural PhD from the University of Oklahoma. He took over the ranch in the 1970′s. It was very common back then for sons to go and get educated at an Ag school. Those families, by and large, kept up. The ones who did not were weeded out decades ago.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Wagathon

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We must hope to be saved by our enemies?

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Curious George

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R. Gates: Please don’t contradict yourself. You brought in your basic knowledge of exponential growth and systems theory. And organic fertilizer.

Comment on Climate/Energy Policy and the GOP Congress by Stephen Segrest

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Peter Lang — You have repeatedly said (and I’ve repeatedly shown/linked to your quote) that hydro and fossil fuels will always be cheaper than Renewables for peaking/intermediate load requirements.

Just admit that you are wrong on this “absolutism” and we can move on constructively.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Bad Andrew

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Thank God we have Joshua around to make fun of.

Andrew


Comment on We are all confident idiots by Rob Starkey

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In might be amusing, but I greatly doubt that any further knowledge will be exchanged beyond providing further evidence that John Carter has a strong system of beliefs.

Comment on We are all confident idiots by markx

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John Carter | November 17, 2014 at 6:42 pm |
You say:
The basic concept doesn’t have anything to do with models, and it really doesn’t have anything to do with ocean warming.

….. then you spend the next 3 paragraphs talking about ocean warming.

You can have theoretical zetajoules, John, and you can have those that are measured.

And that measuring can only be done by measuring ocean temperatures.

Comment on We are all confident idiots by Pat Cassen

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Matthew – The[y] explicitly assume (in words and in the equation that I quoted) that lightning strike rate is proportional to the product of the available energy and the precipitation rate.

Correct.

If …precipitation increases 2% per degree, then the rate of upwelling non-radiative transport of heat increases by 1.6 W/m^2, based on the figure from Trenberth et al. in that case, a doubling of CO2 concentration can not produce a 1C increase in mean surface temp.

I presume that your 1.6 W/m^2 is based on the Trenberth et al. estimate of 80 W/m^2 evaporative flux. But from there on, I’m not sure what your reasoning is. The energy required for evaporation is returned to the atmosphere where condensation occurs; it is only one term among several that sum to the net energy transport.

My suggestion that you were misinterpreting Romps et al. was based on your statement that the increase in the rate of lightning flashes required a quantitatively commensurate increase in the rate of evaporation; it does not, and Romps et al. do not claim that it does.

Does Held say anything about how cloud cover changes i[f] the rate of precipitation increases 2%.

Not that I know of, but you can ask Held. I know of no compelling answer to the question of how clouds will change with warming.

Three things to keep in mind:

1. Clouds (depending on type) provide both positive and negative feedbacks;
2. Only a tiny percentage of atmospheric water resides in clouds at any instant of time, which makes conjectures about their response to warming diffiucult;
3. Although evaporation equals precipitation on average, most clouds do not produce precipitation (in extratropical regions – not sure about the tropics). They form by condensation due to transport to cool places, but then evaporate again as they are transported to warmer places.

Comment on We are all confident idiots by Bob Ludwick

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@ Dr. Curry

“I’ve gone to your website (listed as part of some of your posts) and frankly I don’t see much there.”

I don’t think that drawing conclusions based on observation is John’s strength. In fact, from my perspective, it appears that he does it backwards: draws observations from conclusions.

For example, in his posts he repeatedly treats ‘authoritarian’ and ‘conservative’ as if they were one word, when a cursory examination of the politics of the authors of the overwhelming majority of the rules, regulations, laws, ad infinitum that we are forced to obey and who control the bureaucracies established to ensure that we DO in fact obey them, and of the individuals and organizations who are pressing, forcibly, to impose even more authority over us in the name of ‘Fighting Climate Change’ would reveal that they are anything BUT politically conservative.

Comment on Can cows help save the planet? by Steven Mosher

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But thanks god, we have wagathon around to perhaps save us from the “alarmists

See how easy to avoid misrepresentative sampling

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