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Comment on Demon Coal by Willis Eschenbach

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That’s my point. Sure, if there are visible cycles in there, you can make comments based on those cycles. We can say that days are warmer than nights, for example.

But that means nothing either way about a possible gradual increase due to CO2. Without a visible cycle, what are you going to use as your “boundary conditions” to allow you to forecast the future? That’s saying “we can predict if there are visible cycles, so that means we can predict if there are no visible cycles”. It’s a false analogy.

You say “So for June vs December we have reason to be confident, whereas for 2050 vs 2010 we don’t.” I’d restate that as “for 2050 vs 2010 our winter/summer analogy is useless.”

w.


Comment on Demon Coal by Political Junkie

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As a Canadian CBC listener I’m genuinely and deeply shocked after having listened to the subject CBC program.

The damn thing is rational, non-political, unbiased and sane.

Dr. Curry’s considered and well delivered opinions are aired apparently unedited.

I’m at a loss to explain how an informative program such as this made it through the CBC bureaucracy.

Wow, just WOW!!!!

I need a drink!

Comment on Demon Coal by cwon14

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Andrew the Bad,

Take a look at the Jo Nova link above, it clears up all of this contrivance for our bedwetting brand of skeptics here.

I’m open to different opinions, we just can’t ignore basic social facts which are essential to maintain Dr. Curry’s fake middling while giving the consensus the key concessions it demands; “it’s really all about a science dispute” (ancient nonsense at this point).

Comment on Demon Coal by Bart R

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PJ

Listen to some Rex Murphy, you’ll recover quickly enough.

Comment on Demon Coal by Jim Owen

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David –
“Pity. It deserves better.”

Yes, it does. But that’s the nature of human intercourse. If you can’t live with it or ignore it, then you’re in the wrong place.

You should have seen the fur balls that used to happen on some of the other blogs – although not so much anymore.

Comment on 21st century solar cooling by John S.

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It’s hard to find more arm-waving (both literal and figurative) or less scientific rigor than in Richard Alley’s AGU presentation on CO2 as the putative climate “control knob,” brought to our attention here by WebHub Telescope at 1:59am today. Academic paleoclimatology seems very vulnerable to a catastrophic reality check.

Comment on Demon Coal by Captain Kangaroo

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OH PLEASE!!!

Hand waving about a massive problem requiring immediate massive economic sacrifices – does not a serious forum make. Acid acidification is even less of a looming problem than global warming.

Come to it with some facts man, some science, and you might be taken seriously. Review the literature, learn something, discuss the minutiae, think about carbonate and bicarbonate buffering, upwelling, diurnal and seasonal variation, discuss microscale, mesoscale and macroscale experiment (and the limitations of each) and you might be taken seriously. As it is you’re just another bug eyed loony tunes (beat you to it JC) watermelon warminista.

And then you complain about the forum because we have failed to take you seriously.

OH PLEASE!!!

Yours in deadly seriousness
Captain Kangaroo

Comment on Demon Coal by corporate message

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Ocean Acidification…the last resort of the CAGW concern troll


Comment on Demon Coal by Bart R

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cd0802

It’s so hard to say.

Which time?

Which location?

About 40 dozen in the second one in Guelph, according to unreliable sources.. which if you’ve ever been to Guelph, you’d understand is practically every non-drinker in the city limits.

Of course, it may just be that I like the sound of the word ‘Guelph’ that led me to mention it.

The protests in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Halifax, Vancouver and so forth were apparently larger. It’s hard to tell with Canadian protests. You go to one, and a hockey game could break out.

Comment on Demon Coal by cwon14

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“Sustainability”, “peak oil”, “population bomb”, “deregulation”, “big oil” are other cousins found all over as well.

Comment on Demon Coal by MrE

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Seriously Eli, you need to take a basic logic course or something.

Comment on Demon Coal by Jim Owen

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Fred –
Glad to be back, but I’ll likely be leaving again soon. At least here, the nastiness isn’t likely to kill me.

Re: smart – I’m as smart as I need to be. I am, after all, still alive.

I’m sure the authors don’t think it’s “silly” but they talk about “average” – and I’m not average nor do I know anyone else who is. So this kind of “study” refers to statistical averages that apply to everyone – and nobody. I’m glad it keeps them occupied – otherwise they might be doing some real damage someplace else.

This is all wordplay, Fred – I don’t take it seriously, nor should you. It may affect millions of lives “on the average” but it affects nobody’s life in particular. Unless one is a fear-filled neurotic who takes every negative theory seriously. Sorry, but I’ve seen too many diet fads, arch pronouncements about what foods to avoid and what to eat, environmental scares, etc, etc, ad nauseum. And they all last a year or so and are then replaced by the next scare. This one is no sillier than the last – but it’s not “not silly”. And for me, it’s eminently ignorable.
As I said – I’ll live until I die. And that has more meaning than most people will understand.

Comment on Demon Coal by capt. dallas 0.8 +/-0.2

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LOL, I think I did see a sign on a hockey stick.

Comment on Demon Coal by SamNC

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Weby,

You think with your bottom hole not your brain. Max and I were discussing using coal to produce electircity. Max meant to say over 90% carbon in coal. You lazy little brain did not get the content of it or too thick to understand the content or both! Don’t be a spoilt child you are now an adult and need to grow up your brain together with your bottom hole. Get it.

Comment on Demon Coal by Bart R

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willard (March 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm)

I blush. Of my little experiments in dynamic, shared, crowdsourced, open, public presentation you like that one?

As cwon14 observes, a “pile of drivel of course”; and yet WSJ chose to print it.. I hardly think any amount of correction will quite expunge the drivel of it.

Everyone is welcome to try.

The prezi is shareable, can be copied and edited to one’s heart’s content.

It takes very little time to create a prezi account, seconds to copy, and however long as one wishes to tailor the presentation to whatever ends one chooses.

Have at, willard, cwon14, and whosoever wants to diverge from the limits of WordPress’ nesting structures.

And I must say, http://xkcd.com/1025/ :)

If I may, steven mosher wonders who supports any form of lying for a cause, which is funny, coming from a man who’s career is in marketing, but poignant too, in its ambiguity.

Is it intended to be read as “do you support ‘all forms of lying’ for a cause,” or “do you support any form ‘of lying for a cause’”? Or some other meaning?

Because however one answers the one question, it’s hairsplittingly tinted by a hint of the other meaning.

And really, shouldn’t the question simply be, “Have you stopped beating your fill-in-the-blank?”

For the record, I don’t support having causes in the first place personally, though I don’t mind if others profess to causes (even if only for the sake of entertainment value), so I doubt I will be able to relate to the meaning of the question, if there is one.

Which leads me to wonder why Tom believes the question so fair?

Tom, do you support any form of question for a cause?


Comment on Demon Coal by SamNC

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No. David would like all your music. Don’t be so harsh on him. He is a believer of no weighting and expect Dr. Curry will respond.

Comment on Demon Coal by WebHubTelescope

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Jim Owne said:

“Web –
One of the reasons anthracite coal is rare is because most of the anthracite beds were buried under the Susquehana River in 1957. There’s LOTS of it there – if anyone ever figures out how to mine coal underwater.”

With most of the skeptics here, you have to be a private detective to figure out what they are talking about with all these anecdotal observations. It looks like what old Jim is talking about is the Knox Mine disaster that occurred in 1959. What apparently happened is that the river flowed down the mine shaft, effectively flooding the whole system.

And then what he is apparently implying is that if this disaster didn’t happen, we would have “LOTS” more coal reserves available.

That is a moot point. The greater significance in all this is that mankind should not have to depend on one small area to meet our energy needs in perpetuity. Because it can’t as these are finite resources. It is not that hard a concept to grasp, yet it doesn’t register in many people’s minds. That is why a term was coined for this mindset — “the Cornucopian”.

Comment on Demon Coal by Bart R

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Mr. Orssengo

For once, listen to Steven Mosher (http://judithcurry.com/2012/03/12/demon-coal/#comment-184924)

Even you must admit that there are overwhelming criticisms of your simple first order trend analysis graphs that to every appearance you just do not actually understand on the most straightforward technical level.

Now, you turn to second order graphical analysis, seeking to repeat the legion of graphical errors at a completely different order of operations.

Read some competent introductory literature on graphical analysis and methods. Do some remedial tests. Watch some youtubes. Attend the Khan academy. Audit some university courses. Before. You. Make. A. Bigger. Fool. Of. Yourself.

If you must, in the end, do analysis of trends of trends, at least do not make the simpleton’s mistake of looking only at trends all of the same length. Look at plots of trends of different fixed lengths. Compare these multiple plots to each other. Keep the original curve handy for reference. Perhaps start with data from a subject you feel less obsessively passionate about, to practice and learn some technique.

The interpretation you seek to do is among the most dubious practices of graphical analysis: done properly, much can be revealed of the nature of problem spaces. Which means you may as well be reading entrails.

Comment on Demon Coal by Bart R

Comment on Sir Paul Nurse on the science-society relationship by cwon14

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It looks like more of the middling conversational tactics in the face of rejection of the consensus. Lots of seemingly harmless moderate statements and platitudes are included. Walking back and whitewashing what has actually happened on the climate front. Anyside could read into the text if they wish.

“Equally those of an opposite viewpoint may exaggerate the extent of future global warming because of their affinities towards greater regulation and world government.”

In REALITY, there has been nothing “EQUALLY” about the 20 year effort to ram AGW down the publics throat in the name of science. If Nurse had his way the objective observer would just forget what a thug and bully, politically correct culture the Royal Academy has become regarding AGW settled science pimps.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100140510/sir-paul-nurse-saviour-of-the-universe/

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