Quantcast
Channel: Comments for Climate Etc.
Viewing all 148656 articles
Browse latest View live

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by Pinky and The Brain

$
0
0

‘In sum, a strategy must recognise what is possible. In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible. The most we can expect to achieve is the prediction of the probability distribution of the system’s future possible states by the generation of ensembles of model solutions. This reduces climate change to the discernment of significant differences in the statistics of such ensembles. The generation of such model ensembles will require the dedication of greatly increased computer resources and the application of new methods of model diagnosis. Addressing adequately the statistical nature of climate is computationally intensive, but such statistical information is essential.’ IPCC TAR 14.2.2.2

Fundamentally – a probability density function of a family of solutions of a systematically perturbed model. Where we are instead is opportunistic ensembles with a range of single solutions chosen from amongst many feasible and divergent solutions of many different models. There is no rational basis for choosing one feasible solution over another.

‘In each of these model–ensemble comparison studies, there are important but difficult questions: How well selected are the models for their plausibility? How much of the ensemble spread is reducible by further model improvements? How well can the spread can be explained by analysis of model differences? How much is irreducible imprecision in an AOS?

Simplistically, despite the opportunistic assemblage of the various AOS model ensembles, we can view the spreads in their results as upper bounds on their irreducible imprecision. Optimistically, we might think this upper bound is a substantial overestimate because AOS models are evolving and improving. Pessimistically, we can worry that the ensembles contain insufficient samples of possible plausible models, so the spreads may underestimate the true level of irreducible imprecision (cf., ref. 23). Realistically, we do not yet know how to make this assessment with confidence.’ http://www.pnas.org/content/104/21/8709.full

Of course if we just listened to Maxy’s cr@pola – we wouldn’t need to understand actual science.


Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by phatboy

$
0
0

Tell you what, R Gates, why don’t you amble over to RC and put them straight on the matter?

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by beththeserf

$
0
0

Max_OK, Citizen Scientist | December 16, 2014 at 3:17 am | Reply

Tony,

I suspect there is a tendency for people to read too much into the results of models. Also, there may be a tendency to expect too much.

Sorry Max but I do not find yer conclusions okay regardin’ the
logic of the situation. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

A serf.

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by krmm

$
0
0

Thanks for the article. I have an interest in modeling and wondered how the averaging of models for a chaotic system might be ascertained to be somehow representative. Just didn’t find the time to investigate further how this is scientifically justified. Seems it isn’t.

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by Vaughan Pratt

$
0
0

Oh come on now, what’s this all about? Everyone knows that all models are wrong. ;)

If you’re looking for an alternative to models and will be attending the AGU Fall Meeting in San Francisco this week, do stop by my poster this morning, Tuesday from 8 am to 12:20 pm, in the Global Environmental Change section in Moscone West. You can find me at GC21C-0566 with a poster titled “An Ekman Transport Mechanism for the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation”. Or simply google GC21C-0566 2014 Ekman.

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by oldfossil

$
0
0

Donald Morton, thanks for sharing your knowledge in a well-thought-out article that clarifies many contentious issues. In particular you took great pains to avoid bias and emotional language. Congratulations.

I’m sure that you took your largely amateur audience into account. You will have simplified, and used less technical language than you would have in writing for your scientific peers. However. There is nothing about having a Ph.D. that makes it easier to understand long, complex and loosely-constructed sentences. I would have enjoyed the article far more, and probably learnt more too, if you had chosen a clearer, less academic style.

Thanks again for the many hours of preparation you put into this.

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by AlecM

$
0
0

Don’t be silly. The climate models create ~66% more than real lower atmosphere warming by the fake ‘back radiation’ idea, taught in US Atmospheric Science for ~50 years, coupled with the fake single -18 deg C OLR emitter idea, which provides an imaginary negative Down flux in the bowdlerised two-stream approximation (blame Sagan for this).

They then exaggerate upper atmosphere cooling by ~36%. The final part of the fraud is that the GISS-origin models use ~35% more low level cloud albedo than reality as a fitting parameter in hind-casting. By purporting sunlit areas of ocean are much hotter than under clouds, exponential evaporation kinetics purports imaginary high future humidity – really decreasing as the atmosphere adapts to higher [CO2]/.

This is because the real warming from well mixed GHGs is exactly offset by the water cycle. There has been AGW from increased aerosols (Sagan got that wrong too, along with lapse rate physics).

BOTOM LINE we are entering the new Little Ice Age and it will be quite severe by ~2040.

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by beththeserf

$
0
0

Pinky and The Brain, must say that I concur.


Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by Peter Lang

$
0
0

What, did you give up on your last poster which tried to quantify humanity’s degree of evilness?

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by Peter Lang

$
0
0

Is this poster another pile of motivated reasoning?

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by beththeserf

$
0
0

Mais oui, Descates. the models are tres, tres wrong.
Un serf.

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by beththeserf

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by Jonathan Abbott

$
0
0

Mr Mosher,

“The problem is nobody has set the spec.”

Wrong.

The spec the models have been tested against are the graphs of projected temperatures from various IPCC reports, which were derived from model outputs. When tested against reality, the projections have all been wildly hot.

Comment on All megawatts are not equal by Recent Energy And Environmental News – December 15th 2014 | PA Pundits - International

$
0
0

[…] All Megawatts Are Not Equal! […]

Comment on Week in review by jim2

$
0
0

I’m sure the Hockey Team loved that episode.


Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by gbaikie

$
0
0

–Whether global temperatures rise or fall during the next decade or two, we will have no confidence in the predictions of climate models. Should we wait, doing nothing to constrain our production of CO2 and similar gases while risking serious future consequences? —

It needs to be pointed out that we aren’t doing nothing.

Governments *are doing* nothing that could possibly affect total CO2 emissions, true, but the public has already spent over the many years, trillion dollars paying for all kinds of idiotic activity which is **said** by corrupt/stupid/evil/greedy/fraudent government policy makers to be done for the purpose of reducing CO2 emissions.

It’s not matter of doing nothing. Rather we should reverse all the government policies which are a oppressive regime of regressive tax and are wasting trillions of dollars wealth.

It should noted that if you are paying trillions of dollar on something and not producing what is promised, the trillion dollars of activity paid for, will also generate CO2.
Or the massive pointless activity not only causes more hardship and poverty, it in addition also will generate massive amount of CO2 emission
had not been the law.

Now what has actually lower CO2 emission is more efficient systems of getting what needs to be done, done. [Or the opposite of wasting trillions of dollars on the corrupt, perverted, pointless, and destructive activity].

And in terms broad direction the most significant reductions is CO2 emission has been the long term use of nuclear energy to make electrical energy and more natural gas use rather than coal.

Comment on Week in review by jim2

$
0
0

It does look like the Bakken may end up the swing producer for crude. Oil produced there is only fetching $42/bbl. So, wells may be shut in sooner than I thought. (Someone posted an article on this earlier, I don’t know where it is.)

At any rate, oil production could go down faster than I first thought.

From the article:

Realized wellhead prices for Bakken crude were recently trading at a $16 discount (27%) to WTI.

The NDIC’s latest report showed Bakken November production dropped month-over-month.

Lower prices, rail transportation costs, new flaring and stabilization regulations are all negatively affecting Bakken producers.

As a result, it appears much of Continental Resources’ (unhedged) production is unprofitable at the current price.

Should CLR keep growing production, or stop drilling and completions until the price rises?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2754815-bakken-crude-trading-at-41_75-bbl-is-continental-resources-quandary

Comment on Will a return of rising temperatures validate the climate models? by TJA

$
0
0

The First Law of Thermodynamics is the mathematical theory by which one can claim that the average of a collection of models is correct, even though none of the individual models can be shown to be the one with correct physics and they don’t agree?

I would be very interested in hearing you expand on that further. Not expecting it, but it would be interesting.

Comment on All megawatts are not equal by Planning Engineer

$
0
0

Peter – I don’t believe my comments were so much related to externalities. The inverters have the capability to provide voltage control. There is a perspective that utilities should not allow third parties to have voltage control functions at certain voltage levels. There are risks and benefits with that. Solar is different from other technologies and I think it can be unduly restrictive to not let them have voltage control responsibilities in some instances. It completely ruins the economics, despite the subsidies. We have to realize new technology won’t work just like existing technology and not be dogmatic in holding it to the same standards when the costs of adaptation are small. But at the same time we don’t need to ignore big differences and allow it to inappropriately lean on the system. Sometimes those calls are hard. My take is utilities usually bend over backwards to help the new, but not always. Contrary to what some may think, I side with renewables in some cases.

Comment on Week in review by nottawa rafter

$
0
0

Ruble dropping like a rock this morning.

Viewing all 148656 articles
Browse latest View live




Latest Images