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Comment on Week in review by Climate Researcher 

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A review of the new book “CLIMATE CHANGE THE FACTS 2014″ by about 24 authors.
 

The best and most relevant chapter in this new book is that by William Soon, namely Chapter 4 “Sun Shunned” in which he discusses things such as the eccentricity of the Sun’s orbit that I have also pointed out as the principal regulator of glacial periods.

The rest of the chapters on the “science” do not discuss the valid physics which is really what does determine Earth’s surface temperatures. Instead the “lukes” all reiterate the false claim that carbon dioxide causes significant warming of the surface by radiative forcing. Nowhere is the assumed process of forcing actually discussed. We just get the usual false paradigm that carbon dioxide traps outward radiation and thus supposedly makes the surface warmer.

Carbon dioxide does not trap thermal energy. It disposes of what it absorbs either by subsequent radiation or by sensible heat transfer (via molecular collisions) to other air molecules which outnumber it by 2,500 to 1. It also helps nitrogen and oxygen cool through such collisions, and may subsequently radiate the energy thus acquire out of the atmosphere.

All radiation between regions at different temperatures can only transfer thermal energy from the warmer region (or surface) to a cooler region. This means all heat transfer in the troposphere is generally upwards to cooler regions, with a proportion always getting through to space. There is no thermal energy transferred to a warmer surface. The energy transfer is the other way. The Sun’s radiation is not helped by radiation from the atmosphere which is only sending back some of its own energy now with much lower energy photons. Radiating gases reduce the insulating effect by helping energy to escape faster, and that is why moist air in double glazed windows also reduces the insulating effect, just as does water vapor in the troposphere.

Nowhere in the book do we see the surface temperature explained correctly using Stefan Boltzmann calculations. No one ever does this, because it is an absolute stumbling block for climatologists. The mean solar flux entering the surface is only about 163W/m^2 after 52% of the solar radiation has been either absorbed or reflected by the surface, clouds or atmosphere. But such a low level of radiation would only produce a very cold -41°C. That’s even colder than what the IPCC claims would be the case, namely -18°C without greenhouse gases. They deduce that by assuming that the whole troposphere would be isothermal due to convective heat transfer, including sensible heat transfers by molecular collision.

Hence all the “luke” authors fall for the trap of not actually explaining the existing surface temperature, let alone what carbon dioxide might or might not do. How could you work out the latter if you don’t know your starting point? The truth is that you cannot calculate the surface temperature of any planet that has a significant atmosphere by using radiation calculations. Hence all the considerations pertaining to radiation and absorption by carbon dioxide are totally within a wrong paradigm.

That assumption by the IPCC (and thus by the “lukes” who have written this book) that the troposphere would be isothermal was rubbished in the 19th century by some physicists who understood the process described in statements of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. It is still being rubbished to this day, and even more so, now that physicists realise that the Second Law is all about entropy increasing to the point where there are no unbalanced energy potentials. In a gravitational field this state of thermodynamic equilibrium is attained when all the energy potentials involving gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy and radiative energy balance out. That is when the environmental temperature gradient is attained, and the very fact that it exists enables us to explain all planetary surface temperatures (and the required energy flows) without the slightest reference to back radiation, let alone trace gases like carbon dioxide. Only water vapor has a significant effect in lowering that gradient because of its radiating properties. It thus cools the surface, and that puts a big spanner in the works for the IPCC et al.


Comment on Week in review by tonyb

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Max

As a proponent of a country us8ng renewable energy horses for courses the tidal project is good news.

Nowhere in the UK is more than 70 miles from the sea and we have sadly neglected our tide and wave potential in favour of the somewhat dubious benefits of wind power and the laughable (in at our latitude) benefits of solar power. My solar power installations effectively gave up the ghost during October.

tonyb

Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by Michael

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Joshua,

While that was an amusing quote from Springer, my favourite was when he declared himself a polymath.

Comment on Week in review by angech2014

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“Climate change is clearly human caused,” Park Service Director
The Nisqually Glacier, the one of Rainier’s 28 named glaciers most accessible to visitors, has been receding rapidly since 1983. It’s at a historic minimum, and this summer it shrank toward the mountain’s summit at unprecedented speed: more than 3 feet every 10 days.
BUT
** It’s also a fact that it’s impossible to say precisely what the effects of climate change have been or will be in the park.
** The park’s weather varies so widely year to year and decade to decade, it obscures long-term changes.
** In 2010 and 2011, when weather at the park was influenced by strong La Nina conditions, the Nisqually and Emmons glaciers grew in volume. In 2011, mountain lakes stayed frozen longer than in the previous six years of record keeping.
** By the way 1966 photo end of winter, 2014 photo end of summer?
Photo date jiggling perhaps? Show us your dates.

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Comment on Week in review by angech2014

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popesclimatetheory | December 21, 2014
“There is no archaeological evidence that sea-level was twenty+ feet lower in Roman times”.
Good to know but not much value. Different ares have different subsidence and elevation rates. Some cities off Egypt definitely buried in 2 millenia, Areas of Scandinavia and Scotland quite elevated. Caspian sea empty? No use for tide gauges there.Mediterranean infilling multi millenia ago. Sea rise and fall can have multiple causes.
Fan’s argument therefore specious.

Comment on Week in review by climatereason

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Fan

For Christmas, why don’t you get one of your loved ones to buy you
‘Times of Feast times of Famine’ by Roy Ladurie.

It might help you to put past events into their proper historic context, in this instance concerning glacier movements which come and go at glacial speed and also occur rapidly. I graphed the movements of glaciers using thousands of references by such as Ladurie and Pfister back over the last 3000 years. Here is the result (A new and better version should be online shortly )

A blue line at the top of the page equals glacier retreat, Blue line at the bottom equals glacier advance.

It might help you to see the context of the ever changing climate and stop you worrying so much if you would read the works of past climatologists instead of thinking that climate change only started when James Hansen started writing papers.

tonyb

Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by Tuppence

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Joshua > … but neither of you provides the same depth of “peer review” as to Tuppence, Springer, and Daniel. Sorry, guyz.

Truly astounding comment from cut-and-paste cretin. It’s like any of us saying : Einstein doesn’t really cut it. Sorry, Al.
What ARE those meds?


Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by PA

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Well Mr. Pratt, technically you are correct, but lets look at the map again.

There is no frickin’ way less than 27% of world’s CO2 emissions would paint the Southern Hemisphere as red as a CSI slasher victim.

What is happening in the South is the burning of the rainforest to clear land to grow biofuel (as encouraged by environmentalists). It seems pretty obvious the level of emission from rainforest destruction is a significant CO2 source even if it doesn’t show up in your funny chart. If you look at time lapse it is worst in September (their spring time).

Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by gbaikie

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–Other than China there is no major CO2 source in the Northern Hemisphere.

Look again at that NASA image. The highest CO2 level in China is about 400 ppmv. The lowest level in the contiguous US is about 395 ppmv, only 5 ppmv less. With CO2 increasing at 2.3 ppmv per year globally that’s not a large enough gap to infer that there are no other major NH CO2 sources.–
It seems to me that since China emits twice as much CO2 as US and in the US the emission occurs over larger area, it makes sense.
But then again there several region which are about the same as China,
and China has very high emission in fairly small region.
Or seems one has to have very concentrated amount CO2 to show up.

So say a ocean area say 100 times larger area than China but emitting 1/5 as much per square km and so whole region could be 20 times more than China.- but the satellite not see much difference.

Or it appears one has to really high intensity to detect a 5 ppm difference. Of course there greater differences than 5 ppm occurring regionally all over the place, but to get the signal globally and over averaged month period they be large and persistence. Or perhaps one could say they have to be so large that they overwhelm environment conditions which absorb or dissipate concentrated levels of CO2.

Comment on Week in review by Climate Researcher 

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Maybe you'd like to read <a href="http://judithcurry.com/2014/12/19/week-in-review-38/#comment-657300" rel="nofollow">this</a> comment.

Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by Jim D

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There is a large annual cycle of CO2 over vegetated areas, so looking at one month, it is easy to be fooled. The maximum occurs over vegetated areas at the beginning of the growing season, so in the NH that would be May, and in the SH, November. The annual global CO2 max is in May because the NH has much larger vegetated areas. What you see here is part of this annual cycle. May would have shown the NH with more. The maximum then declines due to uptake by the growing plants. The annual cycle amplitude is 6 ppm.

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Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by David Springer

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bob droege | December 19, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Reply

“How about not selectively picking a basin and not specifying land-falling in determining whether on not something is observed.”

How about you get a clue? Hurricanes that don’t make land-fall are inconsequential.

Comment on Week in review by tonyb

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Fan

Agreed that it was a vacuous piece of abuse.

Also glad though that it would have directed people towards the solid climate science such as that indicated in my posts about Variations in Sea level through the ages and variability in glacial advance and retreat.

Would still like to know what you think the sea level will be in 2100 and also the ocean temperature profile?

tonyb


Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by Rob Starkey

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Daniel- Long, overly broad generalizations criticizing a group only make the writer of the comment appear clueless.

Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by popesclimatetheory

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In a review By G W PETTY on August 24, 2011
I Read:

Until very recently average global temperatures have been constant, plus or minus half a degree, for 10,000 years. Depending in part on future emissions, global temperatures will rise this century by between 1.1 C and 6.4 C.

This is Hockey Stick. This takes out the Roman and Medieval Warm periods and takes out the Little Ice Age. The IPCC is not even allowed to use the Hockey Stick anymore. Temperatures have varied as much as plus and minus one degree and even plus and minus almost two degrees over the last ten thousand years. Modern temperature is well inside the bounds of the past ten thousand years. The future will follow the same cycle with the same bounds as the past ten thousand years. Temperature is in bounds and it is not even headed out. The moral storm is the lies that are used to blame man-made CO2 for a crime that has no supporting data.

Comment on Ethics and climate change policy by popesclimatetheory

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Our “overconsumption” does help many people in the rest of the world.
If we stopped buying stuff, the rest of the world would suffer for it.
The standard of living is rising in much of the world. That is due to the use of fossil fuel.
Green stuff is growing better, all over the world, using less water, and much of that is due to the use of fossil fuel.
The war against increasing CO2 is a war against all life on Earth.

Comment on Week in review by Stephen Segrest

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What caught my eye this week:

While I have learned a gazillion times more on science issues from Dr. Curry — I am also a big fan of Dr. Katherine Hayhoe. NPR chose her as one of the top interviews in 2014: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=372236813&m=372257278

Katherine’s message that I value so much is targeted to my Faith and political conservatism. One can be a Christian and a Conservative, etc. and still believe that AGW is happening — one doesn’t have give up their core values and become an Atheist Treehugger or Liberal/Socialist.

Comment on Week in review by harrywr2

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Tacoma Water started monitoring the glaciers on Mt Rainier in 1913 because they ‘feared’ they would soon melt completely and there would be no more water.

100 years later and there is still plenty of water for the residents of Tacoma to enjoy.

100 years of fear mongering that the Cascade glaciers would melt and the glaciers are still there.

Next thing…someone will be telling me that they finally figured out how to get Edison’s Battery Powered car to compete with gasoline powered cars….another 100 year story of being wrong year after year but still proclaiming the ability to ‘accurately’ predict the future.

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