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Comment on Cold logic on climate change policy by Rob Ellison

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Allende defended himself with an AK47 that was a gift from Fidel Castro and was a paid KGB agent. Castro and the KGB were sweeties of course.

But Hayek had nothing to do with the politics of the time. Although his work had something to do with the constitutional and economic reform.

What works in modern economies has an empirical basis and doesn’t rely on whatever Maxy pulls out of his arse. Thank God.


Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by Don Monfort

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OK, Brandon. You were very likely the first to say 65, but I am pretty sure I was the first to say 64:) I am not going to look back to find out.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by David in TX

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Steven Mosher | December 29, 2014 at 3:29 pm |
you would do better if you

A) dropped your insufferable attitude.

or get your asperbergers treated

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Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by Brandon Shollenberger

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That could be Don Monfort. I don’t even remember when I realized I should use the number 64. I noticed pretty quickly the number of papers being returned was less than the total subset (I thought there was a problem with how i was retrieving them), but I don’t recall when I actually found out what the “right” numbers were.

By the way, comments like:

or get your asperbergers treated

And:

You should try harder to ignore Brandon’s Asperger’s, Steven.

Are pathetic. I don’t understand how people making remarks like these could ever expect anyone to take them seriously when they give advice on how people should behave. Taking social advice from people who accuse those they disagree with of having disabilities (which is probably libelous, not that I’d ever sue over it) seems like a terrible idea to me.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by R. Gates

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Rob,

Do you just go out and cut and paste anything at all that appears to have something to do with the conversation your trying to jump in on? While your cut and paste was interesting Rob, you missed the mark.

The topic was: Can a correlation be shown in the global ocean between CO2 changes and pH? The measurement and prediction species specific effects and the high-frequency dynamics of pH seen in local ecosystems (the subject of your cut and paste), while interesting, wasn’t the point being made. But jump in anytime with your cut and pastes and ad homs–as I’m sure you will.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by David Wojick

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Gates, at some point you need to actually say what is wrong with my argument. If the SS has a good counter argument, which I doubt, please state it. “Go read this” is not an argument, it is a dodge. You might also consider that simply calling my argument “nonsense” repeatedly makes you look silly. If you do not understand my point try asking a question.

Just to elaborate my point a bit, most CO2 sources and sinks are biological and as such they are sensitive to population change. Natural populations normally oscillate, often dramatically. (Some of the populations in question even oscillate on decade to century scales, forests for example.) Thus the AGW claim that the natural CO2 flux should be steady state is highly unlikely. Summing a lot of oscillators does not produce a steady state, quite the contrary.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by R. Gates

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Good suggestion Danny T. I could go with that. Suffice to say, the confidence is quite high that sans human activities, it is unlikely that atmospheric CO2 would have ever gone over 300 ppm during this interglacial. Thus, the current rise from 280 or so preindustrial to the current 400 ppm is almost certainly anthropogenic, regardless of whether is primary or secondary effects.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by David Wojick

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Just a note regarding David Appell’s original question. He refers to “the ocean and biosphere” but the ocean includes a large fraction of the biosphere, so he may mean the terrestrial biosphere. I understand that the ocean floor (which may be a kilometer or more thick) microbial population may comprise as much as 30% of the global biosphere.


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Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by Joshua

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Brandon –

==> “…seems like a terrible idea to me.”

It just doesn’t make any sense!

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by R. Gates

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The salient issue– is the spike on the end of this graph anthropogenic (directly or indirectly) or not?

That’s really all that matters. Conversations about carbon sources and sinks, while very interesting, distract from the central issue of the anthropogenic spike in CO2. Drilling down to sources and sinks and how ocean, soil, plants, etc. will respond to the Human Carbon Volcano is all damned interesting, and being researched intensely every day. But that response is based on one species forcing of the climate and disruption of the natural carbon cycle via fossil fuel burring and land use changes

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by David in TX

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The R.Gates playbook:

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by R. Gates

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“ordvic, oops, you pointed to a pseudoscience page by mistake.”
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No mistake. Team Pseudoscience serves up dinner 24 hours a day in the blogosphere:

Comment on Cold logic on climate change policy by Max_OK, Weird Citizen Scientist

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“And best of all, it is justified because, well, someone else did something bad elsewhere.”
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Josh, you nailed it. That’s Rob Ellison’s excuse for Pinochet’s crimes against the Chilean people.

Hayek believed the end justified the means and Rob agrees. The end was Hayek’s utopia of freedom and the means was Pinochet’s dictatorship. But the utopia was a failure and Chile, turning away from Hayek’s vision, elected a socialist president. Thousands of Chileans were murdered in the name of an ideology that failed to deliver what it promised.

Rob Ellison is not the only one here who embraces the Hayek’s failed ideology. Apparently, these ideologues want to give it another chance, even at the risk of having thousands more murdered. Ironically, the utopia of freedom seems to work only under a dictatorship. Democracy is it’s enemy.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by phatboy

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Gatesy, the Earth has never been without non-condensing greenhouse gases, nor has it ever been without water vapour, so your point is irrelevant.


Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by phatboy

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Gatesy, the Earth has never been without non-condensing greenhouse gases, nor has it ever been without water vapour, so your point is irrelevant. (previous post ended up in the wrong place)

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by R. Gates

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“Martian atmosphere is 95% CO2.”
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Wow, that is sure relevant to a discussion of a composite atmosphere of condensing and non condensing GH gases. Fortunately, actual scientists discuses and analyze the supporting role of non-condensing GH gases in an atmosphere with water vapor:

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/lacis_01/

Thank god there are islands of actual science in the sea of Pseudoscience.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by Don Monfort

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I don’t recall berating you in caps lock, Brandon. I won’t say I never did it, because you are so obsessed with these little meaningless episodes that you have probably searched your voluminous files of the blog spats you have had over the years and may have come up with something. Anyway, if I have ever berated you in caps lock it was only to mock you. I have never been angry with you. I agree with you on almost everything. I have been trying to encourage you to lighten up for years. You take yourself too seriously and take offense where often there is none. Now you can show some maturity by moving on. Surprise me.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by R. Gates

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“so your point is irrelevant…”
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Yes, actual science is always irrelevant to followers of Pseudoscience. Wouldn’t want to interfere with a good meme by inserting relevant facts, which in this case is that water vapor needs non condensing GH gases to sustain the climate we all enjoy. Thus, discussions about the small role that non condensing GH gases play must be accompanied by the fact that their role is absolutely critical to keeping our planet from becoming Ice House Earth.

Comment on Climate blogosphere discussion II by Jim D

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ordvic, try this one.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_05/

By the way your cite was entertaining especially when you get to the reference 5f which was a hoax news piece (Onion style) about the EPA planning on regulating water vapor, just the kind of thing the crazies want to believe. I think they give skeptics a bad name, and you need to complain to them about their web page.

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