Matthew, thank you for a fair reply.
Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Max_OK, Citizen Scientist
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by JustinWonder
Now THAT is really funny! :)
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Joshua
Interesting..
Let’s look at the trends in movement, among Dems and Repubs respectively, over the last 20 years – across the different questions in the polls.
Over the first 10 years, it looks like there may be a general trend across both parties towards a more “liberal” ideology There are some exceptions, of course – notably with the question about best way to ensure peace – but largely what we see is that there is not really a movement towards greater polarization.
Starting in 2004, it looks to me like what we see is the following for each of the questions in turn, in terms of movement towards or away from conservative ideology:
1) Republicans up 23, Dems down 7
2) Republicans up 27, Dems down 8
3) Republicans up 18, Dems up 6
4) Rs up 29, Ds up10
5) Rs up 7, Ds up1
6) Rs up 1, Ds down 14
7) Rs up 7, Ds down 3
8) Rs up 22, Ds, even
9) Rs even, Ds up4
10) Rs down 8, Ds down 10
Hmmmm.
So is would seem that in terms of movement relative to 10 years ago – that Rs have moved “way right” much more than Ds have moved “way left.” Only with questions 6 do we see Ds moving farther to the left than Rs moved to the right. On questions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8,9, and 10, we see that Rs moved farther to the right than Ds moved to the left (noting that on questions 3, 4, 5, and 9, Ds moved to the right along with Rs).
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Joshua
Ordvic –
My point is that you need to view that chat in context.
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by ordvic
I disagree with your assessment that people would leave if the parties moved either left or right. Reagan moved the party right and rejuvenated it, conversely Obama moved the party left (of Hillary) and rejuvenated it.
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Joshua
Sorry – let me fix that:
So is would seem that in terms of movement relative to 10 years ago – that Rs have moved “way right” much more than Ds have moved “way left.” Only with questions 6 do we see Ds moving farther to the left than Rs moved to the right. On questions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8,and 9, we see that Rs moved farther to the right than Ds moved to the left (noting that on questions 3, 4, 5, and 9, Ds moved to the right along with Rs, and on question 10, Rs moved to the left along with Ds).
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by JustinWonder
jim2 – No problem! Apology accepted. I enjoy your posts and you are clearly a gentleman. HNY!
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Bob Ludwick
@ AK
A couple of questions re your laser downlink calculations.
At your postulated 40000 km downlink distance, a 100 meter ground collector will subtend around half an arc second.
Given the expected efficiencies of all subsystems of the on orbit collection system/ground collection system/ and a postulated requirement of delivering 1 gigawatt to the grid, does anyone have a plan for collecting the required number of gigawatts of solar energy on orbit, turning it into the number of gigawatts required to energize the downlink laser, building a laser with a 10 meter aperture that will produce the required downlink power, and keeping the whole shebang pointed at the ground station with a total pointing error of less than a tenth of an arc second under all conditions of sun loading, station keeping thrusters, etc?
And could you keep the 100 meter collector at the tip of the 2000 meter pyramid from moving more than a meter or so under all conditions of wind/sun loading?
At the ground station, how much energy would have to arrive at the surface of the 100 meter collector to deliver 1 gigawatt to the grid, after allowing for the conversion efficiencies of all the subsystems between collection surface and grid input? I suspect that 20% would be optimistic, but I would be happy to be wrong.
Using 20% means that the 100 meter collector would have to handle 5 gigawatts of incident power, which in turn means that each square meter of the collector would have to deal with around 625,000 watts. Continuously.
Just as an aside, if the anticipated MTBF of the on orbit system is not infinite, how is maintenance handled?
And just as one more aside, are you confident that ANY powersat design that you have seen proposed would have a positive Coefficient Of Performance (if it actually worked) over the life of the system, given the amount of energy required to build, launch, and maintain it? I. e., will ANY of them supply more energy to the grid than is required to install and operate them?
Feasible?
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Joshua
Ordvic –
==> “I disagree with your assessment that people would leave if the parties moved either left or right. Reagan moved the party right and rejuvenated it, conversely Obama moved the party left (of Hillary) and rejuvenated it.”
What do you mean by “rejuvenated?” How are you measuring rejuvenation?
Initially, Obama brought more young and minority voters to the polls. That doesn’t mean that he rejuvenated the party as a whole. Those people he brought to the polls would likely have already identified as Ds. Did his candidacy increase the #’s of people who identified as Ds? Look at the numbers.
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by jim2
Joshua – how am I to keep my position in the top five if you keep this up??? The article did characterize Obumbles as a centrist, but we all know that is malarkey. He has put more useless Federal regs on the book than I like to think about. Onerous ones too, like regs against coal and Obumblecare. Lefties are all about control of peoples lives and individual freedom has suffered a stunning blow under Obumbles.
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by jim2
From the article:
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Cupp immediately frustrated the panel by not spiking the easily set-up opportunity to bash the Republican party by suggesting that extremism is a two-way street. “But why doesn’t anyone bring up the splinter in the Democratic party when folks like [Sen.] Ben Nelson (D-NE), [Rep.] Heath Shuler (D-NC) and [Sen.] Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) leave,” said Cupp. “I think you’re right, that it’s hard to be a moderate these days, but it’s hard to be a moderate on both sides. I think both parties are pushing to the extremes a little bit. And I think it’s a little disingenuous to just suggest this is happening because of the tea party on the right when clearly it happens on the left as well.”
You could nearly hear her fellow panelists digging their fingernails into their respective desks and chomping at the opportunity to scoff at Cupp’s assertion.
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Tonyb
Faustini
But just remember that Marylyn Haines Evans, myself and all the other eu citizens are Nobel winners so have much in common with Michael Mann so are obviously onboard with the concerns over climate change and those anti social coffee machines.
Tonyb
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Joshua
Ordvic –
I will grant you, that there is a possibility that the decline in R party ID is because the electorate, as whole, moved farther to the right than the Republican Party.
But the data don’t really speak to that. Looking at the chart I linked, we see an increase in Independents that coincides with a decrease in the numbers of those who identify with the Republican party. Is that because people think that the Rs are too left-leaning (certainly some evidence of that with the emergence of the Tea Party), or because people think that the Rs have moved too far to the right? The fact that there wasn’t a corresponding increase in the #s who identify with the Ds might be related evidence; we might think that if the drop in #s was because people thought the Rs were too conservative, there would be a corresponding increase in the #s who identify as Ds – but that isn’t something that we can assume directly. We’d need more info to determine whether the drop in R ID #s was because the electorate moved to the right relative to the Republican Party.
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by JustinWonder
+1
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by JustinWonder
True
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by scf
Mosher is possibly in the top 5 on other climate blogs as well, he is very active
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Joshua
==> “Faustini”
I do agree that in terms of logic, Faustino is a bit of an escape artist.
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Tonyb
I use an iPad and have no trouble accessing vuks posts and graphics.
Tonyb
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by Max_OK, Citizen Scientist
Berényi Péter | January 1, 2015 at 6:06 am |
” On a mini grid equipped like this, cost of electricity can’t possibly go below 1.3$/kWh, an utterly uncompetitive price.”
“Ask this: Why are those villages isolated in the first place?
Because there are no ports, roads, railways connecting them to the world, that’s why.”
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Berényi was not fooled by the World Bank’s real life examples ($0.57/kWh and $0.69/kWh).
Berényi you got me on the reason why those villages are isolated in the first place. I would have never guessed it’s “because there are no ports, roads, railways connecting them to the world.”
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Comment on 2014 → 2015 by scf
There’s a lot of “ifs” in your comment. If we enter a new ice age , or if the earth ignites into a new star, I’m sure jc will revise her prediction.
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