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Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by SkepticGoneWild

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David Appell wrote:

Which scientists said “arctic death spiral?” And in what way do they singularily represent all of climate science?”

The quote from Mark Serreze in 2010 was:

“I stand by my previous statements that the Arctic summer sea ice cover is in a death spiral. It’s not going to recover.”

It’s significant because Serreze is the Director of the NSIDC. Serreze has also made ludicrous statements in the past such as:

“The arctic is screaming”

Tony Heller, aka Steven Goddard, has amazingly translated the arctic’s scream:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/the-arctic-is-screaming-it-is-time-we-listened/


Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by David Appell (@davidappell)

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harkin: can you read?
I explained why 10-20 year predictions can’t be made.
Did you understand what I wrote?

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by David Appell (@davidappell)

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ting: How the f can anyone know if a model is correct for years that haven’t happened yet?

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by doug

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2014 warmest year on record.

Please don’t choke on your peas the next time you say “global warming stopped in 1998″ Morans?

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by Wagathon

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… ad hom attacks from an Al Gore DVD on global warming propaganda techniques?

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Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by Barnes

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The unfortunate reality is that it’s not just the msm, it’s also the gollywood fools and fake media outlets like jon stewart and others, who shape much of the thinking, what little there is, of far too many.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by David Appell (@davidappell)

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Where is your proof that such a trace gas can’t be a control knob? Hard, quantatative proof.

BTW, the average concentration of ozone in the atmosphere is 0.6 ppm — 1/700th the level of CO2.

Do you know what you’d be without this trace gas?


Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by Wagathon

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There is no debate about whether mathematics is necessary in science. Mathematics is useful in helping us understand nature. Understanding climate change is not a matter of instinct. Science is not a matter of how we might feel about something. We can use mathematics to demonstrate why climatism’s fear of humanity and industrial man is really climatism’s detour to helplessness.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by David Appell (@davidappell)

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SGW: You data stops at 1983. What happened in the next 31 years, and why did you leave them out?

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by David Appell (@davidappell)

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L: No, RSS and UAH are not “close.” Learn how to calculate for yourself.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by David Appell (@davidappell)

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curryja wrote:
“I think Mark Serreze of NSIDC coined the term”

Did he? Where?
Does Serreze speak for all of climate science? Or does he speak for himself?

BTW Judith, please answer the question here about whether you will correct the representative from Oklahoma.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by jim2

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Before anyone can recommend anything, we have to get measurements good enough to use to determine how climate works. So, my recommendation is to set up more measuring systems with the necessary accuracy and precision. After we gathered thorough, good data for 30 or 40 more years, then we can answer your question.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by jim2

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Trying again …

Before anyone can recommend anything, we have to get measurements good enough to use to determine how climate works. So, my recommendation is to set up more measuring systems with the necessary accuracy and precision. After we gathered thorough, good data for 30 or 40 more years, then we can answer your question.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by David Appell (@davidappell)

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“I’m curious at the Land Surface not setting a record whilst the SST did.”

Don’t know. The ocean stores large amounts of heat. It comes through the surface before it goes into the atmo.


Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by doug

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2nd warmest. That means that one of the 140 years (or whatever it is) was warmer. Every year has to warmer than the previous one, EVERY YEAR, or else global warming is a hoax-I say so. ME.

Besides, did you forget it was cold in my geographical area in 2014, Hmmm?

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by doug

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I would say Judith Curry is a TOTAL joke except that she is letting me write that on here. That only makes her a 97% joke.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by doug

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Admit it. Judy doesn’t care if 2014 was the warmest year. She’s getting PAID, and besides her dogs will be dead before things get too toasty.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by PA

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2.5 m of ocean has more heat capacity than the entire atmosphere. There are 4000 meters of ocean.

2.5 m of ocean has about as much heat capacity as 7.5 m of dirt (1260 J/kgK dry and somewhat higher wet). Further the temperature of dirt below 30 m is pretty constant. In Minnesota things buried 5 feet down are below the frost line so -20 °F weather doesn’t even penetrate that far.

80% of solar energy is absorbed in the top 10 meters of ocean. The long wave (thermal) energy from the atmosphere isn’t absorbed at all and only warms the surface (water is opaque to infrared).

It takes over a century for the ocean to hit equilibrium after a change in forcing.

Comment on ‘Warmest year’, ‘pause’, and all that by gbaikie

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–Since you have testified to Congress at the request of Republicans in the past, and since Jim is in a powerful position, do you feel some sense of obligation towards correcting Jiim’s views?–

There is no evidence that humans have caused global climate change, nor is there evidence that human are likely to have caused much of increase in global temperature in last century.

What one could call a global climate change is the Sahara Desert going from a wetter conditions to drier condition that it is today. There have been various ideas that do blame human activity for this climate change, but the evidence seems to indicate that this change in climate was natural variability in climate rather than something caused by human activity.

One could also point to the dust bowl in the US in 1930’s as example of an minor global climate change. One can make a case that human activity worsen the effect of this natural climate change, but you can’t argue [successfully] that the drought conditions were caused by human activity.
One also point to many decadic changes in regional climates, and these are also a result of natural variability.
Humans using irritation have transform regions- turning deserts into farmable regions- one can assume this climate change, but this is incorrect as one has not actually changed global climate. Likewise urban area can cause rainfall shadow- likewise this only has small regional effect and is not global climate change.
And changes in global climate which result century periods of warming and cooling are not caused by human activity.

So idea of human causing global climates changes is only a idea of what might happen in the future and is not something which has happened in the past- though have changed local conditions. Cut down trees, irritated dry [or desert] regions, built dams, built cities, and etc is not global climate change.

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