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Comment on Open thread by Steven Mosher

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Dan

“The climate at a location is determined to first order by these factors and the latitude and altitude of the location. The climate also can be influenced by significant, more-or-less thermally stable, bodies of liquid or solid water, primarily near the oceans but including also other large bodies of liquid or solid water.”

THANK YOU.

people who understand this will understand what BerkeleyEarth does.

you tell me the altitude and latitude of a location and I will tell you the temperature. And I’ll be damn close as 93% of the variance is explained by these two factors.


Comment on Towards mass marketed electric vehicles by JeffN

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just enough to get it moving. Then the windmills on the car keep it going.

Comment on Open thread by Rob Starkey

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Don
To be fair the “revenue neutral” proposal probable does lessen emissions slightly, but not much over the long term. A pure gas tax would do more to reduce CO2 (not that I see this as a great immediate benefit) and would raise revenue (which are surely needed since we seem not willing to cut expenses).

Comment on Open thread by Danny Thomas

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JeffN,

Outstanding. An alternative approach for those willing to collaberate. Anonymity for the unwilling.

Much of what is witnessed, at least in the blog-o-sphere and “the media” is a seeming desire to keep the debate polarized and politically imbeded. Actual solutions need not apply no matter how mutally acceptable. If the preponderance of particpants have reached the conclusion that the planet is warming (or cooling), then what would be wrong with man/woman attempting to geoengineer a “control knob”. That’s a bit of spooky consideration, but woman/man { :) Dr. Curry} has and does modify it’s environment in many ways. An arrogant thought? Perhaps. But if we have a knob it doesn’t mean we have to make use. It would, though, indicate a more thorough understanding.

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Comment on Towards mass marketed electric vehicles by aaron

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Since 4w doubles, front wheel should be the same.

There are probably bigger issues than that for EV in cold weather.

Comment on Open thread by Danny Thomas

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Rob,

“A pure gas tax would do more to reduce CO2 “. Do you mind sharing the threshold you’d consider a gas tax would prove effective. Asking as we’ve just witnessed such a large change in the cost of fuel here in the U.S. from around $2/gal. in approx. 2007, then the “financial crisis” hit and costs approximately doubled, and of course have now returned to that $2 range.

This was a short term phenomena, but cars and truck sold and ran all through this time. The pinch was felt elsewhere in the economy.

Comment on Open thread by Don Monfort

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Rob, slightly is the operative word. And it will reduce energy use most among the lower income population. It’s a regressive tax. It causes all sorts of problems that the cartoon environmentalist pseudo-economists will forget to mention. Here is one:

http://tomorrowsgaspricetoday.com/border-cities/?usid=452

How are the gas stations in B.C. near the U.S. border doing?


Comment on Towards mass marketed electric vehicles by Mike Jonas

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No, it occurs naturally and in atmosphere it oxidises into CO2 and H2O within a few years. CO2 has many benefits, eg. plant growth. It has been unjustifiably demonised over the last couple of decades, and there are at last signs that the demonisation is losing traction.

Comment on Towards mass marketed electric vehicles by aaron

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Or does the front wheel drive allow the rear wheels to put out more power?

Comment on Open thread by Rob Starkey

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“Do you mind sharing the threshold you’d consider a gas tax would prove effective.”

Danny, I am not trying to be obtuse, but the answer depends upon what definition you apply to “effective”.

What is the goal? If the goal is to reduce gas comsumption you need to define how much you want it reduced and then somewhat guess on the level of tax to achieve that goal. If the goal is to raise revenue it is a bit easier.

Comment on Open thread by Brandon Shollenberger

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tonyb, you say:

Dr Muller and Mosh have confirmed that one third of stations show cooling but that this is largely for technical reasons. However, it is interesting.

While I believe there is a caveat to this that stations with cooling trends tend to have shorter lengths, what I find more interesting is there is pretty much no part of the entire world BEST says is cooling. Since 1960, there isn’t a single grid cell in the BEST (land) data set which shows cooling. I demonstrated this about six months ago:

http://www.hi-izuru.org/wp_blog/2014/07/cooling-is-not-impossible/

The same is true if you pick a starting point earlier than 1960, whether it be 1930 or 1900. There is just no cooling in the BEST results. I had to move the starting point up to almost 1980 to find any parts of the world had a cooling trend, and even then, it was only ~2% of the world.

I compared BEST’s results to GISS’s in the comments on that post. GISS shows a far greater amount of the world has had cooling trends. In fact, GISS shows most of southeast United States has cooled. BEST shows the opposite.

Southeast United States is about a third the size of Europe. BEST changes a cooling trend across that large an area to a warming trend. Perhaps people should be concerned?

Comment on Climate psychology’s consensus bias by Don Monfort

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That didn’t work. It’s the “just hold it” video. My favorite movie.

Comment on Climate psychology’s consensus bias by popesclimatetheory

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Fantastic video.

Now, we can watch the CO2 really well and we can use that to easily prove the alarmist climate models provide more and more extreme alarmist temperature predictions that never come true.

Temperature does not follow CO2, in the actual data CO2 most often follows CO2, just as basic physics says it should. The partial pressure of any gas in the atmosphere is a function of the amount of the gas and ocean temperatures. CO2 has, in the past, followed ocean temperature, sometimes, but not during many other times.

Fantastic!

Comment on Climate psychology’s consensus bias by Joshua

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Jonathan –

==> “Why is this subject so difficult for some people to grasp?
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As far as I know, this is a pretty typical process for a sceptic/denier/lukewarmer/whatever.”

How are you quantifying your labels? What evidence do you have that your experience is anything other than an outlier? One of the most un-scientific patterns of reasoning that I see in the climate wars is the tendency towards projecting one’s own views into a larger phenomenon and/or more generally, generalizing from unrepresentative sampling.

This, in itself:

==> “2. I got curious and started to look at the science myself.”

Clearly distinguishes you as an outlier. Why would you be trying to generalize from an outlier?

Interesting, don’t you think? Try reading Kahan in order to find evidence related to that ubiquitous pattern.


Comment on Climate psychology’s consensus bias by Don Monfort

Comment on Climate psychology’s consensus bias by popesclimatetheory

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Note that 385 ppm is rendered in red, while 395 ppm is rendered in a subdued shade of purple. Very misleading bit of propaganda, this

Yes, misleading, but who cares. They show more and more and more and more CO2 that does not match with more warming.

Every thing they present to support their alarmism tends to work against them. Life is good!

Comment on Climate psychology’s consensus bias by Jonathan Abbott

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It is a good article, but you really do need to do a reduced version.

Comment on Climate psychology’s consensus bias by PaulS

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The believe-in vs factual-acknowledgment dichotomy doesn’t seem so mysterious to me, and I think it undergirds this entire mess. In lay discussions, the two are customarily conflated; probably that is the source of the illusion of mystery. And alas, said mystifying conflation follows the (unscientific) lead of the more hysterically-minded among those who fancy themselves to be communicators of “science”. Doubly alas, it aligns perfectly with the mass-media policy of turning every conceivable report into a screeching headline (a.k.a. yellow journalism after a paper once printed on that color) – or, more aptly nowadays, into content-free clickbait.

The believe-in branch – a.k.a. “culture” – has become inextricably entwined with the meme that “we” (often everyone but the speaker, who will continue indefinitely to consume vast quantities of jet fuel to frivolously and unnecessarily transport his or her physical body to “conferences”) “must” immediately rush into rash, radical, impoverishing “action” (such as forgoing travel, living in unhealthy freezing or sauna-hot spaces, self-imprisoning within walking or at best cycling radius, forgoing the evil “carbon footprint” food du jour, etc.) lest the world come to a crashing end (oh, the horror, some utter fools who bought Florida swampland will eventually find it wetter than before.) So when one says one “believes in”, one is likely to be heard as endorsing that “must” unequivocally and unboundedly.

But alas yet again, science simply has nothing whatsoever to tell us about that “must”. It can only tell us the tradeoff between using X amount of fossil fuels for the sake of Y socioeconomic benefit – and not even that until it develops to where the model projections aren’t all over the map. But whether to accept or reject said tradeoff itself, with its (now extreme) uncertainties, is entirely a matter of value judgment. It turns on culture and idiosyncratic personal preference (for example quasi-worship of “species”); not in any way whatever on science. Thus it should come as no surprise at all that science seems largely ineffectual as a club to bash the political arguments into submission.

That is, when all is said and done, science is utterly silent on “ought”/”must” questions. Such questions clearly include such weighty matters as, hypothetically, whether the societal “we” ought to impoverish ourselves to “preserve” a strain of temperature-fragile earwigs that happens to bear pincers 200 microns longer than the rest.

Simply see the conflation of science and the “must” for what it is, and the political mysteries vanish. The political conflicts over “action” are of course unresolvable and thus remain.

Comment on Climate psychology’s consensus bias by JeffN

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The New York Times is headlining a poll today that they claim shows big majorities want action on global warming:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/us/politics/most-americans-support-government-action-on-climate-change-poll-finds.html?emc=edit_na_20150130&nlid=66104773

Except (thanks internet) they make the mistake of giving us the actual poll, where we learn that people were asked about five government actions:
increase taxes on electricity: 74% oppose.
increase gasoline taxes: 63% oppose
Give Tax breaks to nuclear power: 61% oppose (just six years ago 54% of people supported this, thanks environmentalists!)
Give tax breaks to coal with CCS: 68% percent support this even tho it doesn’t exist.
Give tax breaks to solar, wind, and hydro: 80% support. They don’t ask if people support writing government checks to windmill and solar panel owners, just if we should give them tax breaks.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/01/29/us/politics/document-global-warming-poll.html

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