<blockquote>Who said anything about no authority.</blockquote><a href="http://judithcurry.com/2015/03/18/on-the-social-contract-between-science-and-society/#comment-684860" rel="nofollow">You did</a>
Comment on On the social contract between science and society by AK
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by douglasroctor
The Heartland billboards are the easiest example of extreme propaganda against the warmist group. Inhofe is regularly extreme in his pronouncements. Various articles on fraud in GISS temperature adjustments are extreme. Hansen, Gore, McKibben and Obama make extreme statements, yes. But they are not alone. The nuclear option is a favored tactic by the top levels of both sides.
BTW, I’m a skeptic. Unless by your definition someone who thinks CO2 has some incremental warming of perhaps 1.5C/doubling, and believes fossil fuel and nuclear energy are a reasonable part of the longterm energy mix, and that economic health is a higher moral goal than a return to a Rousseauian fantasy is a “lukewarmer”. In which case I defer to your choice of label.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by annceelyanng
This sort of approach is just skirting round the outside. Scientists are called in by powerful members of the elite to support their latest political ideas. Just as after the economic crash in 2008, the rest of us then find ‘the emperor has no clothes’. And it costs us a lot of money. The climate political shenanigans will also cost the Earth lots of biological diversity, and remove opportunity from poor people.
Human arrogance is at the root of it. Thinking you know it all.
Unfortunately the UN decided to go with the one’s that raised it (the folk that Dr Tim Ball complains about?) probably bargaining to get their own way on something else under the impression that it would be another ‘quick win’ like the Ozone hole CFCs. No such luck. It’s now a monster under it’s own steam.
Now all the climate scientists’ are struggling to know how to ensure they and their families will survive.
Other scientific pronouncements like ‘Fat makes you Fat’, ‘Vaccines are safe (and no, I’m not going to give you the stats for the probability of side-effects, and don’t tell me your child is one in a million, ‘cos I don’t care)’ etc are easier for little folk to cope with; but they do make us sceptical of all science.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by mikerestin
If I was a working comedian I would certainly love a Gore/Biden ticket.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by johnvonderlin
Question authority is a quest for authority. Another test for my non-posted comments.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by Joshua
Or perhaps a Palin/Paul and/or Cruz and/or Perry and/or Santorum and/or Gingrich and/or Bachmann and/or Cain and/or Christie ticket?
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by justinwonder
Andy,
Yours is another excellent post – content rich. I think the notion of society as a computer, a store of information and responses – is apt. Culture can be seen as a cybernetic system, as per Roy Rappaport (Pigs for the Ancestors). I think STEM people have an additional – to narrative – method to interpret experience via numbers, systems, experiment, and skepticism all combined with a tendency to challenge and debunk. The rest of humanity uses primarily narrative and has a preference for consensus. In general, people don’t like those that challenge the consensus. I had to learn, the hard way, to pick my battles in a business context staffed largely by non-STEM peers.
As for China, that is a nation with it’s own pathologies that have yet to play out.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by aneipris
“Or perhaps a Palin/Paul and/or Cruz and/or Perry and/or Santorum and/or Gingrich and/or Bachmann and/or Cain and/or Christie ticket?”
The Republicans have been almost as pathetic as the Dems. Bob Dole? John McCain? George W. Bush? But then again how do they compare with John Kerry and algore. Maybe not so badly. In any case, what’s happened to our country? Where’s the Abraham Lincoln of our age? The Thomas Jefferson? I could go on and on. Likely it’s no accident we’ve got Barak Obama and G.W.B. before him.. I think we manifest out leaders out of our own raw materials as a people.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by mikerestin
From http://www.livingontherealworld.org
“The oceanographer Randy Olson in his book Don’t Be Such a Scientist: Talking Substance in an Age of Style points out we target our messages to people’s heads when we should be aiming for the heart and the gut.”
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This is the problem with skeptics.
They keep aiming for the head instead of the heart.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by justinwonder
You are absolutely right!
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by Danny Thomas
Aneipris,
Much like a mirror, eh?
Maybe this: http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/03/19/obama-broaches-the-idea-of-mandatory-voting/
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Comment on Temperature adjustments in Australia by euanmearns
Thought I’d post this in order to show what a warming set of records looks like.
And Then and Nick, the first thing you need to consider is that I undertook this pretty time consuming exercise at the behest of a “green” commenter on my own blog to test the bias introduced by V3 homogenisation. I found, as he had predicted, there was none. But in addition I found an absolutely shocking level of data manipulation, deletion and “creation”. This is probably the first point where our different world views will diverge. I think it’s shocking what is being done, you perhaps think it is OK.
As a side benefit to the exercise I discover that the temperature stack for Central Australia is pretty flat – big surprise for me. Now you guys seem to be having a hard time coming to terms with this. So much so you seem determined to give me tuition on how to process the data so that it shows what you want it to show. I’m afraid I’m not interested.
I might add that in publishing this type of data I am naturally nervous, but my own blog serves as a good testing ground. I am fully aware of limitations; not area weighting, discontinuous records, normalisation procedure etc. But when you have flat data, adjusting any of these is unlikely to make a lot of difference. Jo Nova is going to chase this down with BOM.
Normalisation was my greatest concern and I still need to run more tests on that. I suspect that normalising to a fixed date period may actually impart structure to data – I’m sure someone will already have looked at that.
You guys have been good sports. But I haven’t learned anything from you. For so long as the approach of climate science is to try and deform data to fit the theory this controversy and disagreement will continue.
I have the advantage of having looked at Africa, S America, Antarctica, E Siberia and in process of looking at Finnmark. There is an amazing story in the making – IMO.
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Comment on Temperature adjustments in Australia by euanmearns
@ Willard, I have the support of some very senior scientists from the top of the UK establishment to pursue this line of enquiry.
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Comment on Temperature adjustments in Australia by euanmearns
Well I like the negative correlation with rainfall. Who’d have guessed that ;-)
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by JCH
Matthew – I largely agree, though I do not think Stephens would like one of the papers you mentioned.
My personal opinion is climate sensitivity is about to get an upward correction, but who knows.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by aneipris
I voted for Obama, and I’ve come to believe he’s the most dangerous President we’ve ever had. George Bush was bad, very bad, but Obama’s got him beat. Of course he wants mandatory voting. It would effectively neuter the opposition.
I have an idea. How about we make it mandatory that President resign after lying to the American people. 3 lies and you’re out…
!: If you like your doctor…
2: We’ve had more warming in the past decade than even the most pessimistic models predicted…
3: There’s not a smidgen of corruption…
S’long Barak. We hardly knew ye…
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Comment on Temperature adjustments in Australia by Steven Mosher
Cru TS is specifically declared to be not suitable for climate studies.
“US Georgia has the same issues. So take a hint from Dr. Curry’s, “fit for purpose” comment and you can show how homogenized and adjusted temperature products are not fit for determining local climate and land use impacts.”
Wrong. A GLOBAL product may or may not suitable. As I tell all users
IF your concern is getting the local correct, then you will want to do specialized regressions that take notice of the local details.
For example. If you want to do Alpine areas it would be best to avoid
GISS, CRU, and BE. You’d want to use a very detailed DEM, more detailed
than we would in a global product.
The notion that a global product should be used for local issues OR evaluated by looking at local issues fundamentally misunderstands what the product is meant to do.
it is not meant to get the local correct.
a screw driver is not a good hammer.
And on the flip side, specifically tailored local maps are horrible starting points for a global record unless every local map is produced with the same methodology.
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by Danny Thomas
Synthisis Report is out: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/SYR_AR5_FINAL_full.pdf
Old, but tagging this in w/r/t APS and CC statement:http://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/updates/climatereview.cfm
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Comment on On the social contract between science and society by nickels
Yep, voting for O also. Climate, but also title IX facism did him in for me.
good ol’ two party system, choose your radical!!
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Comment on Temperature adjustments in Australia by ...and Then There's Physics
I have the support of some very senior scientists from the top of the UK establishment to pursue this line of enquiry.
Any reason why you won’t tell us who? I can’t think of a good reason why you wouldn’t. There should be no reason why they wouldn’t be more than happy for us to know who they are.
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