“Cholesterol”
To wit, do you not watch your cholesterol levels just because medical science isn’t certain of its effects on health and mortality?
I doubt it. Do you?
Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by David Appell
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by JCH
I’m not judging climate models. Critics of the models think the 21st century is in; it’s not.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by Danny Thomas
David,
Please learn how to read: “I’m all for action, and align with Dr. Curry’s thinking (or my understanding of same) that a broad based approach not solely against FF but inclusive of land use, improved infrastructure, and more research is the more correct approach as we can injure our economy while not impacting warming if others don’t do the same. So the unknowns do cut both ways and action needs to take that in to account.”
http://judithcurry.com/2015/04/15/hearing-presidents-un-climate-pledge/#comment-694314
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by David Appell
Danny Thomas: sure, after you’ve been pointing to science that’s 45 years old, trying to obfuscate the issue. No thanks.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by edbarbar
I’m wondering what would happen if suddenly somehow convincing evidence were discovered that showed CO2 is nothing to worry about in terms of temperature change. Scientifically solid.
How long would it take Scientists to align? Could anyone imagine Michael Mann saying “I was wrong!!!!”
How much longer to convince the true believers on the street (after all, scientists took it to the streets with various tricks).
How much longer would it take the political process to align? Would it ever align?
I suspect scientists have opened Pandora’s box. Because of this, there are no good outcomes.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by Jim D
Yes, reading the actual statement, some of them probably were just voting that the Ice Ages existed. It was a large loophole. Even then it was only 98-1. MSNBC probably saw the irony of having to take a vote on this. What’s next? The earth is round?
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by Danny Thomas
David,
I eat eggs, but I don’t eat them 18 times a day: “The nation’s top nutrition advisory panel has decided to drop its caution about eating cholesterol-laden food, a move that could undo almost 40 years of government warnings about its consumption.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/10/feds-poised-to-withdraw-longstanding-warnings-about-dietary-cholesterol/
Science, in all it’s glory and being on pedestals and all sometimes gets it wrong. So moderation, in all things, seems prudent.
(Damn you’re one hard headed dude). (I’m threatened to shut up before as I’m about 10% of these ridiculous back and forths, but this time I’m really done).
You can accept all the alarm you chose, I chose otherwise based on the contrary evidence I find in the climate discussion. Prudent action, I’m in! Draconion, I’m not.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by JCH
The oceans are warmed by SW from the sun.
Then it tries to leave. If it leaves quickly, we probably all die. If it gets slowed down, we live. If it gets slowed down too much, there will be consequences, and some could be major: and I will never take Judith Curry’s word on it.
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Comment on Climate change availability cascade by Pooh, Dixie
David Wojick @ April 11, 2015 at 11:36 am: “I think there has been some modeling of informational cascades (IC)”.
Already done, and available for decades. The analog is called a “pinball machine”. Another example involves a cage over a floor covered with mousetraps loaded with ping-pong balls. Drop one ball in the center.
Just kidding 8-)
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by David Appell
Danny Thomas: So you do watch your cholesterol level, which depends on much more than eggs.
That’s my point, thanks.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by thomaswfuller2
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by Santoron
Assuming you’re advocating for actions that require money, it’s something you might want to educate yourself about…
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by David Appell
edbarbar wrote:
“I’m wondering what would happen if suddenly somehow convincing evidence were discovered that showed CO2 is nothing to worry about in terms of temperature change. Scientifically solid.”
What if “scientifically solid” evidence was discovered that disproved Newton’s law of gravitation?
Would you suddenly freak out? No, because Newton’s law is proven by the evidence, so clearly the new discover is somehow wrong
Well, so.is the radiative forcing of CO2.
Evidence, once found, doesn’t suddenly disappear the next day or the next century. F = Gm1m2/r^2. CO2 will never again be the innocent gas you wish it to be.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by David Appell
Santoron wrote:
“Assuming you’re advocating for actions that require money, it’s something you might want to educate yourself about…”
What is the cost of not acting? That’s something you might want to educate yourself about….
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by JCH
The alignment would be near instantaneous.
If you think anybody has come even remotely close to presenting such evidence, you’re completely…
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by Doug Center
In a cacophonous sea of climate hysteria and misinformation, your testimony was a breath of reasonable, responsible and scientifically supportable fresh air.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by pppppaaaaa
DA
This isn’t rocket science. The total heat capacity of a 1 m x 1 m x 2000 m piece of ocean divided by the number of seconds in a year is a useful guide.
Specific Heat is W*s/kg*K
If you multiply by the mass of the 2000 m3 piece of real estate you get W*S/K, when you divide by the number of seconds in a year you get W*Years/K. I just did the computation and it is around 260.W*Y /K assuming 3990 specific heat and 1030 average density.
if you apply 260 W to the top of the ocean for 1 year it will raise the temperature of the top 2000 meters 1 Kelvin.
Now the bottom of the 2000 meters is near 2°C so it really doesn’t change much in temperature. If you assume a ramp change profile (zero change at the bottom) the figure of merit is 130 W-Y/K.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by David Appell
pa: Most people call a W*s a Joule.
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by David Appell
pa wrote:
“if you apply 260 W to the top of the ocean for 1 year it will raise the temperature of the top 2000 meters 1 Kelvin.”
Yes. So what?
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Comment on Hearing: President’s UN climate pledge by David Appell
pa wrote:
“The current ocean warming (in the range of 0.2-0.3 W/m2) just isn’t going to move the temperature of the ocean very fast.”
You need to learn the difference between heat and temperature.
What if that heat had instead gone into the troposphere? What would be the temperature change then?
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