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Comment on Week in review – policy and politics edition by George Klein

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Don’t know when the cut-off is for posting all these links, but here is a late entry from April 26 about an evaluation of temperature discrepancies commissioned by the Global Warming Policy Foundation:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11561629/Top-scientists-start-to-examine-fiddled-global-warming-figures.html (News article)

http://www.tempdatareview.org/ (Foundation project detail)

My personal and professional view is that that a preliminary or a final report will appear a month before the Paris climate treaty meeting later this year.

George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA


Comment on Week in review – science edition by David Young

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Welcome to Real Climate Matt. You must remember that the sponsor of this thread is Mann with it seems Cook as his right hand man. Both are in my view pretty much hopelessly biased and unfair as a matter of course

Comment on Pondering Nepal’s hazards by Ron Graf

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Thanks David. I knew there would be at least one geologist in the house. After Googling I found the 1906 San Francisco Quake was preceded by a couple of decades of activity. After the big one things were quiet for 68 years and started up again 1979. We perhaps already missed the boat on easing things along continually.

If the level of earthquake activity during the next few decades is similar to activity between 1836 and 1911, then the probability of a magnitude 7 earthquake in the next 30 years is about 75 percent.

http://www.earthquakesafety.com/earthquake-history.html

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Jim D

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Perhaps you are saying that because emissions increased fivefold, uptake has too, in which case we agree. As a percentage, that hasn’t been changing much at all in an integrated sense.

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Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by Curious George

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I find one word strangely absent: Subsidy. Peter calls for an estimate of a full economic cost, but until then we can only state that wind (and solar) generate electricity without directly producing CO2.

Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by beththeserf

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Intermittant wind requires back up by conventional
energy plants for when the wiind doesn’t blow, blows
too gently or too severely. The relatively high CO2
emissions involved in ramping up and down or in
keeping back up plants running necessitated by
wind inefficiency need to be regarded as intrinsic
aspects of using wind technology… Oh and then
theres the CO2 emitted in the production of wind
turbines.

See Ch 3 of CIVITAS Report, references to studies by
David White and C le Pair.
http://www.civitas.org.uk/economy/electricitycosts2012.pdf

Comment on Pondering Nepal’s hazards by David L. Hagen

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Ron
I should have said vulcanologist.
(PS I’m not a geologist – rather an energy research engineer)


Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by Danny Thomas

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“Oh and then theres the CO2 emitted in the production of wind
turbines.”

This is an area I’ve not seen referenced. There are plastics, forged metals, etc. Peter, do you or perchance Beth have a resource?

Thanks!

Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by Danny Thomas

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Oh, and distribution of materials, mining, and delivery? Presuming someone has checked the footprint in total for accurate comparison.

Comment on Week in review – policy and politics edition by David Springer

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Just can’t get any traction with those denials of adjustments on the instrument record making a significant difference, huh?

The problem, Steve, is that if the adjustments don’t matter then why do them? You continue to dodge the fundamental question raised by your knee jerk defense of instrument record adjustments.

Again, if the adjustments don’t make an significant difference then why bother with them? Non sequitur, buddy. It doesn’t follow. No one with a lick of sense would undertake the adjustments if they have an insignificant effect especially given the hit to credibility therein when raw data is pencil-whipped, The inevitable conclusion is that you are not viewed as a trustworthy reporter when it comes to ground instrument temperature record.

Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by kneel63

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It is also concerning that someone at some point will use this decrease in efficiency that is demanded by wind, as a reason to move further away from coal and more into wind – the exact opposite of an effective solution!

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Turbulent Eddie

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In the end it is the energy budget that determines what happens. The chaotic part is mostly just internal redistributions of energy.

Not so.

The ‘Lapse Rate’ feedback ( evidently another fail ) is modeled to occur because of ‘internal redistribution of energy’. Circulation matters to how much energy goes to space.

If there were zero convection, the surface would warm to be much hotter ( much more so than for doubling CO2 ) to achieve radiative balance. But the real atmosphere overcomes the greenhouse obstructed radiance from the surface by moving heat via convection instead.

Now, I’ve run a radiative model on global atmospheres and the effect of doubling CO2 is positive and fairly consistent regardless of the variations that circulations impose – FOR THAT PARTICULAR ATMOSPHERIC SOUNDING. But that’s not a ‘fair fight’ because the atmosphere will respond, so considering only the radiance without knowing how circulation responds is still a guess.

Further, models have to make stuff up in parameterization. Little non-linear misunderstood errors in these fabrications can compound in unknown ways.

Further, it doesn’t appear that the models can even get the temperature right and that one would think would be the easiest part.
Which spaghetti strand is correct? None of them:

Comment on Week in review – policy and politics edition by GaryM

Comment on Week in review – science edition by David Springer

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I can see what the egregious smear campaigns forecastthefacts.org is running but, interestingly, there are no TV meteorologists named or quoted that I could find. http://forecastthefacts.org/weathercaster_watch/ is actually devoid of facts and simply makes the thoroughly rebutted claim that extreme weather events are statistically growing worse.


Comment on Pondering Nepal’s hazards by Barnes

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Maybe styer could redirect some of his $100m to something useful

Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by bernie1815

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Peter:
To be blunt, you need to get an editor. The posts here, even when dealing with very technical matters, are normally easy to read. You may be on to something important, but I simply gave up.

Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by Ragnaar

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Marginal costs or from the other side, marginal benefits. Lang I think is looking at marginal benefit. In one way of looking at it, you change one thing, and calculate your benefit. Since the grid is a system, if you increase wind power, something else changes, and if you ignore that, your answer may be arguably wrong. At the same time, marginal analysis is only one way of looking at things.

Comment on Wind turbines’ CO2 savings and abatement cost by ristvan

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The wind capacity factor (production/nameplate) is known for several years for several countries (UK, Germany, Denmark, US, …). Seldom more than 25%. Not the >50% posited here. So wind is worse by half.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Jim D

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TE, the lack of the hot spot, which would have been a negative feedback by the way, is probably because the continents and Arctic are warming so much faster than the tropical oceans. This is one of the transient aspects that was not predicted so well, like the rapid loss of Arctic sea ice. The transient climate is full of surprises because of its sensitivity to when tipping points get crossed. It seems that the loss of summer Arctic ice is one tipping point that we are half way through already, perhaps the Gulf Stream has one in store, or Greenland, or an Antarctic ice shelf, or something unprecedented in the Pacific. Who knows? It is hard to know which the next domino to fall will be, but we are pushing hard.

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