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Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by stevefitzpatrick

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One had only to look at Lindzen’s long publication history, his endowed professorship at MIT, and his list of grad students, to raise an eyebrow when people claimed the iris hypothesis was ‘discredited’ and began discussing his analysis of second-hand smoke effects. Poor Lindzen made the mistake of assuming he worked in a normal scientific field, where the goal is always to advance understanding.

Starting with the Charney report, and probably before that, the field was morphing into something very different from normal science. 30+ years and hundreds of billions of dollars later, the Charney estimates of sensitivity remain unchanged, trapped by the field’s political (rather than scientific) nature. The lack of scientific progress on the single most important question for public policy is easy to understand; after all, many don’t think of the field as primarily focused on science. But that doesn’t make the complete lack of scientific progress any less tragic and wasteful.


Comment on Scientific integrity versus ideologically-fueled research by AK

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What I find is a paywall. You run a “blog” (actually a search-trap pseudo-blog, IMO), but you can’t even drill down through the search results to find an un-paywalled version?

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Virginia_Valian/publication/51472600_All-male_line-up_yet_again/links/0deec519109a4beeb1000000.pdf

Or maybe you had your reasons. There’s nothing there about your claim that:

Singer breated[sic] new life into Sagan’s ersatz apocalypse by getting the sign wrong on the overalll[sic] radiative forcing […]

Or that:

[…] I called Carl’s bluff in Nature and Foreign Affairs.

Anyway, that’s all irrelevant. My citations were in response to Jim D’s implication that Singer had never published in the field he was criticizing:

Basically not publishing anything significant in the field he is criticizing is a red flag.

Whether Singer’s publication had priority or was a post facto review, he published on the subject. Even whether he made an error in his publication is irrelevant. My point is that he was active in research, and publishing research, in the field he was criticizing.

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by jim2

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So, if the IRIS effect is significant, we CAN expect more desertification? Would that trend be offset by the known ability of CO2 to enhance plant growth in dry environments?

Comment on Scientific integrity versus ideologically-fueled research by cwon14

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As gutless a rationalization as I’ve ever seen posted. It isn’t even true, Dr. Curry was held back because of her personal politics (leftist academia) and culture. Career Fear had little to do with it.

She’s the most dangerous of “moderates” that advance the climate meme political structures through inane “compromise” culture. Same people who wanted to send foreign aid to the Soviets.

Comment on Modeling Lindzen’s adaptive infrared iris by micro6500

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Cirrus have almost none. It is because fine ice particles are nearly transparent to visible light, and nearly opaque to infrared. Cirrus is equivalent to a semiconducting diode. One way only. So they always warm.

I’ve spent the last year and a half or so, pointing an IR Thermometer straight up, all kinds of weather.
I figure this temp is what the surface “sees” (It doesn’t measure above 14u, so you’d have to add back any DWLWIR from Co2), but high Cirrus clouds are the coldest of the clouds, temps can be 20-30F warmer than clear skies (-0 to -80F), but high humidity has a far bigger impact to Tsky, than Cirrus clouds do. On dry days, I routinely see temps 90F to over 100F colder than surface temps (ie my concrete sidewalk).
You can watch night time cooling play out with a thermometer, and what you see is that as surface temps start getting close to the dew point, cooling slows way down.
I think this is a great image.

Comment on Modeling Lindzen’s adaptive infrared iris by AK

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I ran across some references while searching for published work by S Fred Singer. I don’t have time to dig the links back up, but if you feel like it, a search might be productive.

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by jim2

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But … but … Arrhenius … back radiation … the science is SETTLED!!!

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by billw1984

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I hope “they” don’t start referring to it as the Max Planck Den___r Institute as was recently done with Obama. I noticed that Trenberth got all bent out of shape that the term “Iris Effect” was used at all and particularly in the title. Is he the “Pope” in this field, or just one of the “bishops”? In my 30 years of working and publishing in science, I don’t think I have ever complained about the title of a paper or heard anyone else say it. That is between the authors and reviewers and the journal.


Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by cgs

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So the ‘consensus enforcers’ found it necessary to ‘discredit’ the iris hypothesis, and by extension Lindzen himself, since the reduced sensitivity threatened the ‘consensus’.

This statement comes right after the quote from Dessler, so, since written that way, I assume you are trying to link this conclusion with that text. But this conclusion does not necessarily follow from that text. In fact, to me, it seems that this conclusion, while possible, has not been proven by any statement in the post.

Your statement, while written in language that conveys it as a truth, is not a proven fact – it’s conjecture.

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by bobdroege

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Just counting the direct effects of CO2 and the positive water vapor feedback would put ECS about 6, so we need negative cloud feedbacks to reduce that to a more reasonable number that agrees with actual data.

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by zentgraf2

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To think that the 1979 Charney report has had such a prolonged influence on the greenhouse multiplier without intensive study is simply astounding! Is there no pride of work in the community of climate scientists? Is their no shame!

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by jim2

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This post is Dr. Curry’s expert opinion on the matter. There is no absolute truth.

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by jim2

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Correction: There is no KNOWN absolute truth – generally speaking.

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by cgs

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Well, the actual words one chooses to use when writing <b>do</b> mean something. And that fact is actually made a point of in this post by reviewing Lindzen’s feelings toward the use of the word “discredited”. So to write a statement that says <i>this IS the reason why this theory was “discredited”</i>, means that either one is forgetting that one is expressing an opinion, or that one does not think this is an opinion, but fact. And if it is the latter, then, while there may be evidence that the author knows that supports that thesis, it is not presented here.

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by JCH

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On talk radio at the time the Lindzen Iris effect was being sold as completely destroying Al Gore and climate science.

I sincerely doubt that Stevens or Mauritzen or Dessler thinks any new life has been breathed into the lungs of that crap pile.


Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by jim2

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The “statement” beginning with “this is …” is yours, not hers. She uses the word discredited several times in the post. You have imagined a mountain from of a mole hill.

Comment on Quantifying the anthropogenic contribution to atmospheric CO2 by Salvatore del Prete

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No it is not falsified. Not in the least.

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by aaron

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The controversial ‘iris hypothesis’ proposes that the fraction of the dry and clear regions could increase with warming and exert a negative feedback: a larger extent of the dry and clear regions would lead to a less cloudy upper troposphere and hence an increase in OLR.

I do not like the implications. While it suggests that warming will not “run away”, is suggests that the climactic effects would be greater and likely adverse. Dry gets dryer and wet gets wetter.

Comment on Week in review – policy and politics edition by PA

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http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Radiation-and-Health/Naturally-Occurring-Radioactive-Materials-NORM/

For example, scrap steel from gas plants may be recycled if it has less than 500,000 Bq/kg (0.5 MBq/kg) radioactivity (the exemption level). This level however is one thousand times higher than the clearance level for recycled material (both steel and concrete) from the nuclear industry! Anything above 500 Bq/kg may not be cleared from regulatory control for recycling.

This doesn’t make a lot of sense. Wood is usually quoted around 3330 Bq/kg and coal ash is typically 2000+ Bq/kg.

General radioactivity information.
http://umich.edu/~radinfo/introduction/natural.htm

Opposition to a gas pipeline near a nuclear plant. It is unclear if the anti-nukers views are due to misinformation or mental defect.
https://news.vice.com/article/giant-gas-pipeline-next-to-nuclear-power-plant-could-cause-a-new-york-fukishima-say-experts
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30234-doing-the-unthinkable-giant-gas-pipeline-to-flank-a-new-york-nuclear-power-plant#14327330509151&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=

Comment on Observational support for Lindzen’s iris hypothesis by Sam Lesser

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PA, CO2 levels globally are always in flux. During the NH summer they are much lower than the NH winter. Same for the southern hemisphere. However, there is much less land mass and vegetative coverage in SH.
So who can this formula be applied accurately globally?
Also the earth’s natural cooling mechanism- evaporative cooling will counter any warming from that CO2 formula.

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