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Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by Steven Mosher

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brandon

“To make the buoy data equivalent to ship data on average requires a straightforward addition of 0.12°C to each buoy observation. This impacts the trend only because the number of buoys and percentage of coverage by buoys has increased over this period.”

My argument is NOT that adjusting the bouys will not effect the trend
My argument is that the difference in trend will be the same
whether you shift the bouys OR shift the ships.

The text you quote says Nothing about that,

OF COURSE the adjustment will shift the trend.. in t his case by .014C per decade.

The argument is will shifting the ships instead give you a different trend.


Comment on Week in review – Energy and policy edition by Turbulent Eddie

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NYT review of “The Population Bomb” is apt.

Erlich words to the effect: I exaggerated to get things done.

Sounds familiar to Schneider, Hansen, and the rest of the climate change “cause”.

And of course, the population bust is another reason why we’re trending at forcing rates lower than the SRES scenarios and now also lower than the RCP scenarios.

Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by Jim D

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Whoever they are, it looks like McKitrick was schooled by them.

Comment on Week in review – Energy and policy edition by David Wojick

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US juice consumption only leveled off because of the huge recession, second only to the great depression. It will pick up again. The growth of electricity consumption in the US over the last 60 years or more is basically a straight line sloping upward. Juice is good for you.

Comment on Week in review – Energy and policy edition by David Wojick

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Everyone loves the concept of free juice.

Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by cerescokid

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I note Robert Way has not addressed Tony’s question. As I said above, Tony asks difficult questions. Apparently too difficult.

Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by PA

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What puzzles me is why the claims of uncontrolled warming are taken seriously.

There is some remaining energy from the 20th century warming to be redistributed.

This may make a 0.3°C difference in global temperature.

At that point there are no new sources of energy to increase the global temperature. If the solar trends don’t change it might get cooler perhaps much cooler.

The claims of warming and melting have been almost uniformly wrong and this doesn’t seem to bother anyone in the warming community.

The warming community has been saying we going to drive over a cliff for over 20 years. Much like a back seat driver that does nothing but complain. And we should respond the same way. If we don’t go over the cliff by 2020 – we should kick out the global warmers and leave them by the side of the road so we can enjoy the rest of our journey in peace and quiet.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by opluso

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I’ll try old school: Hence, THE sea level rise.


Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by ...and Then There's Physics

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Part of that post seems to be making the same point that John Kennedy made <a href="http://judithcurry.com/2015/06/04/has-noaa-busted-the-pause-in-global-warming/#comment-709391" rel="nofollow">here</a>.

Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by ...and Then There's Physics

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Sorry, <a href="http://judithcurry.com/2015/06/04/has-noaa-busted-the-pause-in-global-warming/#comment-709119" rel="nofollow">here</a>.

Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by PA

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JCH | June 6, 2015 at 9:08 am | Reply
One major difference, in 1910 to 1940 the PDO progressively grew in intensity whereas from 1983 to 2003 the PDO progressively decreased in intensity.

Well…

I’m not sure I would characterize the PDO as decreasing in intensity, it has changed sign. Between the drop in solar and the decline in PDO – it could be argued that it is going to cool and perhaps even get cold.

Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by JCH

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<a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/jisao-pdo/from:1983/to:2012/trend/plot/jisao-pdo/from:1983/to:2012" rel="nofollow">You really don't have much choice.</a> More low numbers; less high numbers = less impact on the GMST.

Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.3

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Alexander, “I believe that I am right, and I can probably explain why:”

As far as most basic applications you are most likely right. thermo though has a few added issues, mainly latent energy though. temperature only provides a “sensible” energy estimate.

Then you have the E proportional to T^4. If you convert all you T data to S-B equivalent energy and use the same method, you are going to end up with different “effective” temperature which is the more realistic uncertainty for a thermodynamic application.

temperature data sets are what they are and have to be used, but there is more involved in the interpretation of the data reconstructions than standard error.

Comment on Improving climate change communication: moving beyond scientific certainty by KenW

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Jim, I think “meaningful” is newspeak for “spin”. Scientists are just lousy at it. They get dizzy. If they wanted to be professional liars they could have learned marketing or law.

Comment on Improving climate change communication: moving beyond scientific certainty by Curious George

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Steven, right on. There was a long term fear of global cooling, a long term fear of a population explosion, a long term fear of extinction of species, … Fear sells newspapers. Honesty does not.


Comment on Why Skeptics hate climate skeptics by Willard

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> is it bad etiquette to mention that mentions of etiquette are bad etiquette.

Right on. However, I can own my snark. ClimateBall players ought stop playing the ref, and ought to focus on the ball. BTW, there’s no dichotomy (that word again) between the ball and the man:

https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2014/07/12/play-the-ball/

If one wishes to stop playing the man, there’s no other solution than to stop playing the man:

If you choose to do so, you need to accept that this is your own damn personal journey. Don’t brag about it. Don’t whine about those who don’t follow suit. ‘More importantly, don’t blame otters because of what you do, and don’t use it as a weapon that will replace the gun you’re supposed to have dropped down.

If what you want is a reasoned argument, keep calm and present reasoned arguments. There’s nothing else you can do.

Comment on Why Skeptics hate climate skeptics by Steven Mosher

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willard.
The Samuel jackson Video had a profound effect on me. Thank you for posting it the other day.
I am still processing. This weekend i was asked for advice.
I’m learning not to give it. I passed the link along instead. More of a reference than a piece of advice. That’s what I tell myself.

Comment on Improving climate change communication: moving beyond scientific certainty by jim2

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We need these guys to have a session with climate scientists.

Comment on Why Skeptics hate climate skeptics by aplanningengineer

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Willard – I give you credit for trying to answer me to the best of your ability. I will try to do the same for you. I’m sorry you think I was barraging you with questions. I really wanted to know what you were saying.

>I don’t mind much, except for the misconstrual of the concept of skepticism. I don’t think you address that point so far, even if I wrote many comments on it.

I have not been trying to define the concept of “skepticism” or put a flavor on it. I have been trying to talk about a movement. Much as in an example I wrote here if I were talking about the “Tea Party” – I wouldn’t set out to define Tea Party. Or perhaps you remember the religious/social/political men’s movement called the Promise Keepers. Just by using their names I would not be endorsing their integrity more or less than any other men, or men who dislike the Promise Keepers either. By avoiding what I think a is involved in keeping promises I don’t think I would be misconstruing the concept.

For you-I liked the early direction of the Skeptic Movement. I think Richard Feynman embodied a true skeptic as far as a concept goes.

I am sorry the use of “hate” in the title set you off. Maybe it’s just where I grew up. We hated mosquitos, vegetables, homework, some musicians, and the rival sports teams. It was “dramatic” but common language. Perhaps the title should have been “Why the people that are part of the movement that is sometimes identified as Skepticism (who may or may not actually be skeptics-I’m taking no position on that) have grown to be very unappreciative of people who are not sufficiently alarmed by climate projections particularly those who downplay climate concerns in any way.” What I told was a story about a family that I and others once were part of, but because we did not line up with others on our understanding of climate risks and remedies we were forced out. Happily some found it worthwhile. It was expected that not everyone would, but I was surprised how much it troubled some.

Comment on Has NOAA ‘busted’ the pause in global warming? by Don Monfort

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Nice footwork, Alexander. However if your reading comprehension or you honesty were on a little higher level you would have to admit that Ross didn’t say he was offering an example that was analogous to the Karl paper. Maybe you would benefit by reading Ross again, if reading is the problem and not the other.

Why don’t you explain why adjusting the buoys was a good idea, rather than adjusting the ships that pass in the night, or adjusting both, or adjusting neither? The many other producers of SST data products have known about the discrepancy between the better buoys and the sketchy ships for a long time. They have not chosen to screw with the buoys. Do you wonder why?

I see that Judith has observed that they also erased the 1998 El Nino. Nice work, Karl et al.

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