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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by Another disturbing article about climate change. Fortunately we have the IPCC! | The Fabius Maximus website
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by Mike Jonas
This is a really serious and constructive suggestion for any climate scientist suffering in this way : Set up a meeting with Judith Curry or Anthony Watts or any of the prominent “sceptics”. Have a frank and open discussion about your and their perceptions of climate science. I am sure that you will find that the problem is not what you thought it was.
If you think the reception you get will be hostile, then you are very mistaken – see for example the meeting between Anthony Watts and Bill McKibben reported recently on wattsupwiththat.com
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by RiHo08
When I think about pre-traumatic stress syndrome I wonder about the psychological make-up of the person prior to being “Stressed Out.” Is there something in the make-up of the person which predisposes them to be vulnerable to stress and react to stress in feelings of overwhelming emotions in the first place.
In the more recent literature on Post-traumatic stress syndrome there was some evidence that about 1/3 of combat soldiers were pre-disposed to coping with their stress which resulted in post-traumatic stress syndrome.
When looking at the responses of some of the climate scientists up thread, it would appear to me that their coping styles may predispose them to internalize their work’s message, that they become consumed, or maybe overwhelmed with believed negative outcomes.
When one hears a person who so distraught, sobbing, you want to put your arms around them and say: “Lighten up, you’re going to be OK. Everything is going to work out.” And sing with Annie: “The sun’ill come up tomorrow, you can bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow there”ll be sun.”
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by brentns1
Perhaps a serious question could be how Pre-traumatic stress syndrome, and Warmers “generalized pathological climate obsession” (GPCO ..new acronym for us all ) should be treated under Obamacare!!
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Comment on Which climate change papers ‘matter’? by Mike Flynn
Jim D,
Tell me again, how much insolation occurs at night? You may, or may not have noticed, that all the energy provided by the Sun during the day, is radiated away during the night.
If this were not so, winter would not be colder than summer, and the Esrth could not have possibly cooled after four and a half billion years of heating by the Sun.
It’s not an argument. It’s fact.
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by omanuel
Is climate anxiety misplaced concern over the trustworthyness of world governments?
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Comment on Which climate change papers ‘matter’? by ristvan
Mosher, agreed. Did ‘my own damn science’. You and Willard need to reply to my many specific science criticisms to Thomas, provided in a previous guest post here, and in a more extensive ebook essay, No Bodies.
Gosh, even included additional species and lots of pictures for the math challenged amongst your ilk. So far, your evasions only suggest you have no substantive comebacks. Is that just the math, or includingn cute species like polar bears, penquins, pikas, ‘red wolbes’, or ring tail possums? Read Thomas pathetically atupid paper and my critique of it before blathering on. Or, keep digging a deeper hole.
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by nickels
Well, impressed at this little blurb from Schmidt, regardless of his position on the specifics. Some of the others seem contrived and disingenuous.
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by Latimer Alder (@latimeralder)
‘One psychologist who works with climate scientists’
They need their own shrinks? Says it all about a closed apocalyptic ‘community’
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out | Enjeux énergies et environnement
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Comment on Which climate change papers ‘matter’? by Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out | Enjeux énergies et environnement
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Comment on Which climate change papers ‘matter’? by Jim D
You did not understand their explanation? It’s not even the sun that they compare it to, it’s the added CO2 that has 100 times more effect than all the burning put together.
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by Latimer Alder (@latimeralder)
How do these self-obsessed emotionally stunted individuals get to senior positions in academe while avoiding any semblance of having grown up beyond early teenhood and consequent universal angst?
Fertile ground for climate’s favourite shrink – Lewandowsky. He’s enough examples of psychosis and aberrant belief here to keep him in dodgy papers for a decade.
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Comment on Recent hiatus caused by decadal shift in Indo-Pacific heating by David Springer
No it’s not warmist-speak for cooling. It’s a cessation of warming once a new equilibrium point at a higher temperature corresponding to higher greenhouse gas concentration is attained.
You continue to create straw men. You didn’t get passing grades in math and science before you became a high school dropout, huh?
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Comment on Which climate change papers ‘matter’? by Willard
> You and Willard need to reply to my many specific science criticisms to Thomas,
I don’t see why, Sir Rud, since I commited no claim on Thomas.
Besides, I already showed that your overall argument might very well be invalid.
Should I also recall how you stacked up your deck using anecdata?
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by Jim D
Mann’s view is more like the “deep uncertainty” tactic of hope for the best, plan for the worst. This may have more in common with Judith’s advocacy ironically. Gavin’s view is more certain of the “middle” so he says plan for that, and modify either way as it pans out. I tend to agree more with Gavin here. We don’t have to hope for anything, just plan based on the most likely part of the curve. This is in line with the 2 C targets being set that are also planning for the middle sensitivity when that is converted to carbon limits.
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Comment on Which climate change papers ‘matter’? by Vaughan Pratt
@MF: all the energy provided by the Sun during the day, is radiated away during the night.
Mike makes an excellent point. After subtracting the reflected heat, the Earth as a whole absorbs heat at a rate of 122,000 trillion (tera) watts (TW), that is, 122,000 trillion joules (TJ) of thermal energy per second. (But as Mike sleeps, blissfully unaware of what’s going on behind his back so to speak, the Sun keeps at it all through the night. Let’s not give him a hard time about that though, it’s the numbers that matter.)
So the Earth has to radiate a total of 122,000 TW, not only during Mike’s night but even at his high noon, in order not to overheat.
Nary a word to be heard about the possibility that AGW is actually AGW due to man’s continuous and unremitting production of heat, previously absent.
Yet another excellent point by Mike. Unremittingly, humans produce 15 TW of heat, day in and day out. That’s 15 TJ of thermal energy per second.
Now what would happen if it turned out that something so innocent as seeding clouds to make more rain, or switching jets to a cheaper brand of fuel, or setting fire to all the dinosaurs, by some crazy and totally unexpected means managed to interfere with a teeny tiny fraction of that 122,000 TW of escaping radiation, say to the tune of 0.1% or one part in a thousand?
Well, the Earth would then find itself wondering what to do about the extra 122 TW of thermal energy that it was unable to shed.
That plus the additional 15 TW of energy that all the world’s power plants are generating day in and day out, even while Mike is asleep.
The atmosphere is a really delicate thing when you look at it that way. In order for our 15 TW to be the main heating agent, we would need to avoid changing the amount of heat radiated from Earth to space by anything more than about one part in ten thousand.
A while back King Canute stood in the surf and commanded the tide to retreat. It didn’t, which was his point.
One King Canute commanding an ocean to change by what would surely have to be at least 1% to be noticeable is one thing. Seven billion King Canutes commanding the atmosphere to increase its thermal resistance by 0.1% begins to come into the realm of feasibility. Numbers do make a difference.
Today we have the manpower, the technology, and the insight into the thermal resistance of the atmosphere, to make a real difference to the planet’s temperature.
Let’s do it! Onward and upward!
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Comment on Which climate change papers ‘matter’? by Vaughan Pratt
@MF: all the energy provided by the Sun during the day, is radiated away during the night.
If H.G. Wells’ time traveler had gone back 10,000 years in time and explained thermal radiation to that period’s leading scientists, their take on it would likely be that an unseen hand switches off the Sun at dusk, thereby starting up thermal radiation to space, and turns it back on at dawn, thereby stopping the radiation to space.
I can readily imagine that most people today see this phenomenon the same way. Present company excluded of course (Mike, are you on board or not?).
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Comment on Pre-traumatic stress syndrome: climate scientists speak out by Alan Poirier
This is so pathetic. Climatology, in terms of science, is little more than phrenology.
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Comment on Which climate change papers ‘matter’? by HAS
Of course a thoughtful earth would probably decide it was getting a bit hot and open the windows a bit.
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