Ironic that apocalyptic beliefs are common in both atheist climate scientists and fundamentalist Christians.
Based on his rants I’d pegged Springer as both. Now he seems to be claiming to be neither. What a topsy-turvy world we live in!
Comment on Hansen’s backfire by Vaughan Pratt
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by JCH
I think he’s talking to skeptics who think increasing Antarctic sea ice extent is scoring points for their side.
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by Vaughan Pratt
@tonyb: Our knowledge of the oceans down to 2000 meters is sketchy enough, to believe we have a handle on the abyssal deep is nonsense.
I would say that the most important two numbers here are,
1. What is the total thermal flux in TW across the main thermocline; and
2. how certain are we of it (as a variance or whatever)?
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by peter3172
JCH, if you’re trying to talk to sceptics then you don’t start off with: “This is another Hansen masterwork of scholarly synthesis, modeling virtuosity, and insight, with profound implications.”
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by JCH
I’ve never been in a secret society, but maybe those are codewords.
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by Vaughan Pratt
And she’s the family breadwinner, teaching martial arts these days. (I’m retired.)
Not saying that you couldn’t knock her block off, or that she’d be unimpressed by your 0.38.
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by davideisenstadt
Vaughan: stop acting like a prat.
whatever measure one wants to use…earth system, equilibrium or transient climate response, a low value has the same implication…Not only that, but the three are hardly independent of each other, a low value for one, implies a low value for all.
really, youre going to waste your time on this level of equivocation?
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by Vaughan Pratt
Yes indeed. Moreover she’s the family breadwinner, teaching martial arts these days. (I’m retired.)
Not saying that you couldn’t knock her block off, or that she’d be unimpressed by your .38.
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by peter3172
“The debate over whether c02 is a GHG is over. skeptics lost.”
Besides the sky dragon types, can you point to which sceptics were actually involved in such a debate?
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by Don Monfort
=>So far DLH and DS are the only ones defending ID on CE.
You smoked out another one, doc. He couldn’t keep quiet any longer.
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by Don Monfort
OMG! Is that another one? Do all the Davids belong to the ID brotherhood?
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by Don Monfort
Making those kinds of comments about somebody’s family situation is very low class, springy. You need a rest and some counseling.
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Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by brentns1
EPA Chief: Climate Change Is Fact Because Bad Weather Leads the News
http://pjmedia.com/blog/epa-chief-climate-change-is-fact-because-bad-weather-leads-the-news/
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by peter3172
‘Sycophant’ is the word you’re struggling for
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by climatereason
When discussing sudden sea level rise earlier, I mentioned that the study of the melting of arctic ice ledges/shelves that could cause this was a very new science and that the Met Office had a considerable degree of uncertainty on the subject and a few years ago had to advertise for an ice modeller. Here is the advert
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‘Polar ice-sheet modelling scientist
Salary: £25,500 + competitive benefits, including Civil Service Pension
Generic Role: Senior Scientist
Profession: Science
Permanent post at the Met Office, Exeter
Closing date for applications: 11 June 2009
Background information
A significant uncertainty in future projections of sea level is associated with dynamical changes in the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets and a key aspect of this uncertainty is the role of ice shelves, how they might respond to climate change, and the effect this could have on the ice sheets. The goal of the post is to contribute to improved scenarios of sea-level rise, which is an important aspect of climate change, with large coastal impacts.
Specific job purpose
Incorporate a model of ice shelves into the Met Office Hadley Centre climate model to develop a capability to make projections of rapid changes in ice sheets, thereby leading to improved scenarios of future sea-level rise.”
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Many things are uncertain in climate science and we really need to appreciate that our historic data is often poor and that we need to acquire information over decades before we can say things with certainty.
The ‘science is settled’ is clearly untrue.
Tonyb
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by peter3172
What’s that they say about what to expect when you pay peanuts?
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Comment on Eco – (post) modernism by anng
Vaughan,
I meant that with age, people try not to destroy whatever’s been built and have the experience to be able to prevent destroying it. Older folk would normally rather preserve something than destroy it in order to innovate. On the other hand, they will have learnt that you need to change and move forwards in order not to lose everything.
Sometimes I hate words that are used as political sound-bites. Here in UK, the Labour Party used to use the word Progressive all the time and I could never resist saying ‘Like a progressive disease’. Meanwhile, US, UK and Australian Conservatives seem to be completely different.
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Comment on Eco – (post) modernism by anng
In the UK covering farmland with solar panels is big business – see map
http://www.renewables-map.co.uk/Solar.asp
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Comment on Hansen’s backfire by stevenreincarnated
I’m always impressed when scientists are completely wrong and then explain post hoc why the observations actually mean the exact opposite of what they would have meant under the initial expectations. Flexibility is a good thing. Let me know when they can stop showing off their amazing flexibility and start showing off their amazing ability to make accurate projections.
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