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Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by fulltimetumbleweed/tumbleweedstumbling

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Canadians have an election end of October. If Harper stays in we stay the course on not following Obama. If Justin Trudeau gets in, he’s a dippy yuppy version of Obama and we will following Obama dancing along the daisy strewn path with unicorns and daisies into insanity with the Muslim Brotherhood playing the music for us as we go. The NDP I am less certain about. They have never actually been in power and while the provincial versions inevitably go for big government, heavy taxes on businesses, and endless deficit spending, the NDP at the Federal level has always played it rather mainstream and not socialist.Of course they have never been in power.


Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by fulltimetumbleweed/tumbleweedstumbling

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He is not being misled by bad advisors. Taking down the USA has been his plan from day one. He’s done exactly what he always wanted to do. He never hidden his agenda. That’s why I was so flabbergasted when people ran out and voted for him.

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by climatereason

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full time

Nothing to do with any of that. No antibiotics, no sinuses or anything. I had a detached retina. I had anaesthetic. I took my puffer into the operating theatre and have never used it since. Some 17 years.

tonyb

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by fulltimetumbleweed/tumbleweedstumbling

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Wow well good for you! I can’t explain it though.

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Barnes

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Sadly, as I have mentioned many times before, climate change is the perfect liberal cause since progressives can blame everything on it and use it to push for even greater government intervention. The MSM will not do any kind of critical analysis but will simply parrot Obama’s points and do it in such a way to make him look like he is some kind of an authoritative source. Gollywood and our indoctrination (aka, educational) system will fall in lock step and the general public will absorb the message in an osmotic way. While I have little faith that republicans can govern effectively, I am very concerned that electing a democrat in 2016 will be the final nail in the coffin for this country. With the continued expansion of executive branch overreach going unchecked by an effectively neutered Congress and unquestioned by the MSM/Gollywood/treachers, etc, the next democrat to take office will simply continue to follow Obama’s example.

Many good points are raised on this blog, but the effect does not even rise to the level of being a pimple on an elephant’s behind. I speak routinely to friends, relatives, and other acquaintances about AGW and the level of ignorance on the topic is breathtaking. One unfortunate reality is that the effects of Obama’s plan, if carried out, will be largely insidious and the impacts will be felt slowly over time but will make the effects of Obamacare appear benign in comparison. Progressives and the MSM will find ways of blaming conservatives and the general public will continue to be fooled.

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by mwgrant

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The 40 year estimated life was based on amortization not observation so the NRC anticipates some plants may be licensed for 80 years with many getting 60 years

A point made clear in the article. The article also did a nice job on obstacles that must be addressed. I think that this likely be done–albeit imperfectly–because necessity will drive it. We will not turn out the lights.

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Steven Mosher

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Matthew

“Has anyone said that it would “kill” anyone’s economy? ”

yes.

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Steven Mosher

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mathhew.
yes people have suggested it will kill the economy.


Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Steven Mosher

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yes mw

its funny to watch people walk back their “alarmism” about harms
on all sides

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Roger Caiazza

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I would really love for someone to explain just how this will work:
“Low Income Solar: The initiative will help families and businesses cut their energy bills through launching a National Community Solar Partnership to unlock access to solar for the nearly 50 percent of households and business that are renters or do not have adequate roof space to install solar systems and sets a goal to install 300 megawatts (MW) of renewable energy in federally subsidized housing by 2020″

Off hand it seems like subsidizing people to get access to subsidized power. How can that reduce overall costs?

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Salvatore del Prete

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Ridiculous on two fronts. Front one even if global warming were correct his measures would do nothing to stop it.

Number two, global cooling rather then global warming is likely to take place going forward.

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by eli rabett (@EthonRaptor)

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The increase in global temperature anomaly per decade is of the order of 0.1-0.2 degrees. A decrease of 0.03 degrees in this from a policy in one nation over a decade, from 2015-2025, is 15-30%. (Yes, Eli knows that this is apples to strawberries, but it is equally wrong to assume that the new US policy is the last word and that no other nations will follow this course.)

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by eli rabett (@EthonRaptor)

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<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/asthma/asthma_prevalence_in_us.pptx" rel="nofollow">To quote the CDC</a> "the percentage of the US population with asthma increased from 3.1% in 1980 to 5.5% in 1996 and 7.3% in 2001 to 8.4% in 2010." Of course, the progress made due to regulation of air pollution had its major effect in the late 1960s/early 1970s, but <a href="http://www.lung.org/assets/documents/healthy-air/toxic-air-report.pdf" rel="nofollow">coal power plants remain</a> a major source of fine particulates (PM2.5) that cause asthma.

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Rob Starkey (@Robbuffy)

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Eli also know that the proposals are unlikely to have any measureable benefits to offset the additional costs

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Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Climate Scientists Rip Apart EPA’s Global Warming Rule – Daily Caller | News Feed

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[…] [Barack] Obama mention is how much his proposed emissions reductions will reduce global warming,” wrote Dr. Judith Curry, a climatologist at Georgia Tech. “It has been estimated that the U.S. [climate […]

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by nickels

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In all seriousness, however, we see now why science based regimes are evil. Science can be molded to support any viewpoint desired (with the proper glossing over and shoving it down the throat).

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Turbulent Eddie

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Right.

That’s why people in those cold Northern states don’t get asthma and people in the warm Southern states get lots of asthma.

Oh, wait…

And why Texas, that uses the most coal fired plants has so much asthma.

Oh, wait…

(percent adults with asthma per CDC):

Eli, your job at the Ministry of Information awaits.

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Paul Matthews

Comment on President Obama’s Clean Power Plan by Willard

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Texas is big, Turbulently educated one. Not as big as the half of Alaska, but still.

CDC’s words are also good, from your own link:

Federal, state, and local health officials can

Track asthma rates and the effectiveness of control measures so continuous improvements can be made in prevention efforts.

Promote influenza and pneumonia vaccination for people with asthma.

Promote improvements in indoor air quality for people with asthma through measures such as smoke-free air laws and policies, healthy schools and workplaces, and improvements in outdoor air quality.

Please leave “What about” stuff to Tony, Turbulently educated one.

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