Tucci78 can you please make your point without stuff like the MMM part of your comment. I also don’t think talk of hanging a black man is appropriate either given the history of that in the USA. I’m not a fan of political correctness and I myself have called Obama an idiot for his position on asthma being caused by global warming but you are crossing some lines here in my opinion.
Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by fulltimetumbleweed/tumbleweedstumbling
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by fulltimetumbleweed/tumbleweedstumbling
It is my opinion your comment crosses the bounds of civility.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by David Wojick
There is no restriction on supply. It is called demand side management or DSM or negawatts. You pay people to do things that reduce their consumption of electricity, such as insulating their house. There is a large literature on this and it is a common practice with some utilities. That it works is controversial, to say the least.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by justinwonder
If you like your electricity rates you can keep them.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by justinwonder
Dave,
Great post. Thank you.
“As investments, these are inconceivably bad and we would expect large opportunity costs at the national level. It is interesting that if we start on the right in our graphs and move left past Denmark and Germany, the big spenders are the PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, and Spain) that have been in the financial doghouse in recent years.”
These are political payoffs, not investments.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by Tucci78
<blockquote><i>"Obama is clearly an economic illiterate."</i></blockquote>
You underestimate him - and you're missing the purpose of this "Clean" Power Plan. Soebarkah knows <b><i>precisely</i></b> what effect this abomination will have on the U.S. economy; indeed, the malignancy of all outcomes inevitable therefrom can only be the results of his intention to wreak havoc against the people of our republic.
Neither he nor his associates nor those who offer him material support and endorsement are describable as <i>"illiterate"</i> in the principles of economics.
Do not mistake for well-intentioned stupidity that which is far more accurately diagnosed as willful viciousness.
<blockquote><blockquote><i>America’s elite found on university campuses, in news media and in political office are chief supporters of reduced private property rights and reduced rights to profits, and they are anti-competition and pro-monopoly.
They are pro-control and coercion by the state. Their plan requires the elimination or attenuation of the free market and what is implied by it — voluntary exchange. Their reasoning is simple. Tyrants do not trust that people acting voluntarily will do what the tyrants think they should do. Therefore, tyrants want to replace the market and voluntary exchange with economic planning. Economic planning is nothing more than the forcible superseding of other people’s plans by the powerful elite backed up by the brute force of government.</i>
<blockquote>-- Walter Williams, "<a href="" rel="nofollow"><b>Elite Contempt for Ordinary Americans</b></a>" (25 November 2014)</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by Tucci78
<blockquote><i>"It is my opinion your comment crosses the bounds of civility."</i></blockquote>
And Stanley Ann Dunham's Mistake hasn't violated the bounds set by the U.S. Constitution in the E.P.A. ukase he has issued by way of his cataclysmically vicious "Clean" Power Plan?
What attitude is proper in the citizen when those who govern are not restrained from such mischief (indeed, malfeasance) by the rule of law?
<i>Silent leges</i> does not bring into existence "the state of nature" between ruler and ruled?
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Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by popesclimatetheory
How We Can Use Less Water to Grow More Crops [link]
They did not mention that more CO2 helps crops grow better using less water. That has already helped, worldwide.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by Fernando Leanme (@FernandoLeanme)
Excellent post. I think it’s possible to use this data to estimate costs in the USA under various natural gas price increase scenarios. USA natural gas prices are bound to increase over time (this is even more evident if the Obama energy plan is implemented), but I don’t think they’ll reach today’s European levels by 2030. From what I can see they may add about 6 cents to 10 cents per kWh in the high price scenarios.
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Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by popesclimatetheory
You make no mention of water and water vapor.
CO2 is a small fry in the IR world.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by climatereason
Lets remember tat here in Europe we are 10 to 15 twears ahead of the States in yters of having AND implementing a plan
.On August 3, President Obama declared that “under the Clean Power Plan, by 2030, renewables will account for 28% of our capacity,” and “will save the average American family nearly $85 on their annual energy bill in 2030.”
Lets remind everyone that THIS IS A DIURECT LIFT FROM THE uk GOVTS STATEMENT
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by Slywolfe
Increased cost/kwh affects the cost of almost everything you buy as well as your utility bill. It seems these secondary costs are never included in these analyses. Also, is there not additional cost associated with unavailable power, such as spoilage from failed refrigeration?
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Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by nickels
“The most important book yet from the author of the international bestseller The Shock Doctrine, a brilliant explanation of why the climate crisis challenges us to abandon the core “free market” ideology of our time, restructure the global economy, and remake our political systems”
Yeah, definitely alarmist.
http://www.amazon.com/This-Changes-Everything-Capitalism-Climate/dp/1451697384
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by justinwonder
For all my cynicism, I still am shocked to hear the POTUS tell such a lie to the American people. CA is an experiment in progress with plenty of data and the data says that the implementation of renewables makes electricity much more expensive. We are the furthest along the renewable path and we have the most expensive electricity in the nation. QED
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by climatereason
Sorry, my post escaped so it is Repeated
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Lets remember that here in Europe we are 10 to 15 years ahead of the States in terms of having AND implementing a renewables/co2 reduction plan
.On August 3, President Obama declared that “under the Clean Power Plan, by 2030, renewables will account for 28% of our capacity,” and “will save the average American family nearly $85 on their annual energy bill in 2030.”
Lets remind everyone that this is a direct lift from the UK’s govt statement and it turned out that the ‘savings’ were as a result of assuming that renewables would halve in price whilst reliables at least doubled. Also implicit in this is that Energy supplies would not necessarily be available ‘on demand’.
With our Petrol at some $ 8 a gallon and our energy costsat least double yours it is clear the American consumer is potentially in for a lot of pain if Obama keeps his word and this will spill over into the business sector. The US will be uncompetitive on many global markets without a substantial devaluation. This will combine with the general loss of global ‘influence’ America has suffered over the last few years as it has appeared to withdraw from international affairs.
These are honeyed words from Obama but with a sting in the tail.
Step away.
tonyb
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by Joshua
Can someone point me to a graph that charts cross-national per capita spending on electricity? Price per unit is not the only relevant factor to consider.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by harrywr2
There is a lot room for efficiency improvements in space heating/cooling.
It’s one of the factors that has limited the number of nuclear plants being built in the US Southeast. Demand projections to 2030 and beyond are a bit too soft to make a large investment in generation.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by ristvan
The present administration long ago lost any remaining credibility. Thanks for once again demonstrating that so rigorously.
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by climatereason
According to the US census the country currently has a population of some 319 million and by 2030 the estimated population will be some 360 million.
That’s an increase some 40 million. How are you going to convert to Renewables by 2030 for the existing population let alone cater for another 40 million? It makes no sort of sense at all.
tonyb
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Comment on Will the President’s Clean Power Plan save consumers money? by mosomoso
It can be done. Terraform the USA till it’s shaped like Norway (find someone to do that for free), get someone to build lots of hydro (for free)…and in fifteen years time the average power bill goes down by 85 bucks, all thanks to renewables.
But enough money talk. Think of all the “folks” and “kids” who won’t be suffering asthma. Unless they get cold.
That’s all, “folks”.
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