Jim2,
“she should be accommodated in her work place”……….wonder if that would apply equally if one were religiously/spiritually opposed to say the issuance of drilling permits for oil.
Comment on Heterodox Academy by Danny Thomas
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by Brandon S? (@Corpus_no_Logos)
I don’t make fun of people in order to “win” logical arguments, but when they decide to abandon any sort of actual discussion in favor of simply labeling me a bigot, there’s no logical argument left to “win.”
If you want to have an actual discussion, we can. If you want to just resort to useless discussions of people’s character, then well, I don’t know what you expect to happen. Hopefully it’s not any additional responses, but you won’t get them.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by Danny Thomas
While I can respect and understand that you may not care for Obama, how about at least not misrepresenting about “going it alone” as he’s certainly not the only one and not even close to the most prolific: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
We make it unnecessarily worse when we paint the pictures with only part of the information, especially when we complain that that’s what happens in the climate discussions and don’t apply a higher standard to ourselves.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by rebelronin
must say, my first reaction to the President’s statement was that it is calculated
the DC political class is freaked out by Trump (entertaining to watch)
and they know that Trump’s popularity is largely a reaction to PC
PC is becoming a laughing stock and Democratic Party marketing types are worried about it being pinned on ‘liberals’ by the public
what I hear the President sayin’ is …
“I must leave you now, for there they go, and I am their Leader”
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by Barnes
The examples would be where accomodations are made for muslims students in schools for prayer or other expressions of their faith while christian students and teachers are forbidden to wear a cross.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by Peter Lang
Judith,
Here’s to hoping that we are on the verge of a change.
I’ve been hoping too … for 25 years. I think it has been getting progressively worse over those 25 years … and getting worse at an accelerating rate.
It’s really frightening that an ideologue like Obama could become US President and surround himself with advisers with history of extreme irrational beliefs – such as John Holdren.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by ordvic
Barnes, I don’t know why accommodations should be made for Muslim prayer. There should be no expressions of religion in schools – the separation of Church and State. If that is the case then apparently PC rules and actual law is being circumvented.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by Steven Mosher
Brandon
“Steven Mosher, I don’t know if you think this sort of semantic parsing actually contributes something of value to discussions or if you just like following me around to say I’m wrong with lengthy comments that accomplish nothing while refusing to even attempt to resolve any substantive disagreements we have.
1. It’s not a semantic parsing. you said there was NO comparison.
there obviously is one. The argument is that the christian woman wants to freely practice her religion which means not recognizing gay marriage.
2. The comment wasnt lengthy. As for my motivations. When I see mistakes I like to correct them. I have a coin. when you make a mistake I flip the coin. heads I respond, tails I ignore it.
3. I dont think we have any substantive disagreement. so you are presuming there is something to resolve
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It’s kind of disturbing though.
I am sorry you are disturbed. you should do something about that. take a walk. get some fresh air. relax.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by Barnes
It’s not just a problem with academia. For those who have not read “Bias” by Bernard Goldberg, you should. And note how he was completely ostracized by the MSM for pointing out and documenting what was obvious to many on the right, but blindingly ignored and denied by the left, and still is.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by mikerestin
Progressives love to compromise.
When choosing between freedom and a bullet in your head…
they consider arsenic a fair compromise.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by David L. Hagen
<b>Value in Vigorous Debate</b>
Vigorous debate is a core value in Jewish training and life - and Jews are among the most successful people on earth.
<a href="https://www.ou.org/torah/parsha/rabbi-weinreb-on-parsha/rabbi-weinrebs-parsha-column-korach-two-jews-three-opinions/" / rel="nofollow">“Two Jews, Three Opinions”</a>
<blockquote>But just as much as improperly motivated disputes were condemned by our sages, so did they find value in disputes which had a constructive purpose. They particularly appreciated disputes which were motivated by the search for truth. Hence, <b>hardly a page in the thousands of pages of the Talmud does not record strong differences of opinion</b> between the rabbis.</blockquote>
Stifling debate results in intellectual shallowness, weakness, immaturity etc.
Political correctness at Universities is debasing students to weaklings unable to grapple with issues to find truth.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by beththeserf
President Obama’ announces new Executive Order
authorizing federal agencies to conduct behavioral
experiments drawn on research of two behavioral
scientists that nudge citizens towards certain behaviors
and choices that advance government initiatives.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/15/president-obama-orders-behavioral-experiments-on-american-public/
Say, straight out of Saul Alinsky 101 and in conflict with
Obama speech in Iowa above, ‘ The idea that you should
have somebody in government making a decision about
what you should think ahead of time or what you should be
… that doesn’t work here.’
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by justinwonder
Yep, the nail that sticks up will be hammered down.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by tumbleweedstumbling
Facebook will be involved right?
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by kneel63
“… he himself calls his opposition “flat earthers” and accuses them of “holding on to their guns and religion”.”
Sure – but he can justify that by virtue of the fact he was talking about open debate in schools, but he is engaging in politics.
It may not be right or helpful etc, but it’s true none-the-less.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by beththeserf
Hey, Emile, yr can’t say that!
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by mosomoso
So, according to studies by folks, folks can be nudged by folks to be better folks. Folks can still disagree with folks (another study, folks), but some folks are more folk than other folks – so they get to do the nudging.
Got it, folks?
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by jim2
Brandon. You continue to make vacuous arguments, such as there is no legal basis for protection of religions. The protection of religious belief is embodied in the Constitution. The fact that you choose to ignore that a support for my argument highlights your disingenuousness.
There are other legal foundations for this. For example:
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Religious Discrimination & Reasonable Accommodation
The law requires an employer or other covered entity to reasonably accommodate an employee’s religious beliefs or practices, unless doing so would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of the employer’s business. This means an employer may be required to make reasonable adjustments to the work environment that will allow an employee to practice his or her religion.
Examples of some common religious accommodations include flexible scheduling, voluntary shift substitutions or swaps, job reassignments, and modifications to workplace policies or practices.
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The fact that she works for the government does not void her constitutional and other rights. You may continue to ignore the support for my contention, but again, you will only emphasize the fact that you are simply arguing for arguments sake.
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by jim2
I’ve read only Germinal, but enjoyed it very much as a window into that period in France. Need to read some of the others. (Hi Beth)
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Comment on Heterodox Academy by Barnes
Prdvic – that’s the point. While not universal, and frankly not likely common, there have been cases where accomodations have been made for muslims to express their faith while christians were denied the same right. The first amendment states quite clearly that congress shall.make no law with respect to establishing religion or prohibiting the free expression thereof. The intent was to avoid having an officially decreed religion and to allow individuals complete freedom to express and practice whatever religion they chose, or not. Prayer in schools has nothing to do with congress passing a law establishing any kind of religion and there should be no ban on individuals freely expressing their faith.
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