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Comment on Heterodox Academy by Barnes

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My apologies Ordvic – typing on a note 4 can be a challenge.


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Comment on Has the AMO flipped to the cool phase? by Vaughan Pratt

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Leif's value is consistent with mine. The difference between 0.6 billion years and 4 billion is the difference between Earth becoming uninhabitably hot (at that time Mars will be in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone" rel="nofollow">Habitable Zone</a>) and Earth being fried---or melted---along with Mars etc.

Comment on Heterodox Academy by Steven Mosher

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Make the case that co2 warms the planet

Comment on Heterodox Academy by omanuel

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I congratulate you, Professor Curry, for being part of the Heterodox Academy.

I wish you success, knowing that the Heterodox Academy’s success will mean I was wrong to suggest that Stalin won WWII and then used physics as a tool to rule a new worldwide government patterned after George Orwell’s futuristic novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.”

Comment on Heterodox Academy by Vaughan Pratt

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The reason I prefer CE to either WUWT or RC is that Judith conceives of and runs CE as heterodoxical. It’s therefore hardly a surprise to find her agreeing with Obama’s endorsement of heterodoxy in academia. Students should be allowed to draw their own conclusions based on the evidence.

But what of those students who find unconvincing the evidence that man landed on the moon, and who’ve see quite enough “evidence” to convince them that it was all staged as some sort of giant conspiracy. Should their instructors and peers merely say “yes, this is a heterodoxical campus and everyone can believe whatever they want about moon landings, whether vaccination causes autism, and so on”, or should they at least be required to write essays arguing for their views and against what they don’t believe before they can be awarded a diploma?

If they’re in philosophy I would consider that a bare minimum.

But what if they’re in a subject that impacts people’s lives, such as medicine, or law, or engineering? Should they be permitted to graduate while expressing beliefs that others would regard as a threat to society?

Climate science is particularly tricky in that regard because of the huge polarization of beliefs as to whether rising CO2 poses any threat to society.

Far more evidence against the CO2 threat can be found online than evidence against man having landed on the moon. Based on that metric, it would be entirely consistent to believe that man did land on the moon but that CO2 poses no threat to society.

Should the knowledge of science graduates be that of what science teaches, or of what can be learned online including why the scientists are wrong?

I can imagine some from RC saying, “you’re on CE, silly, the answer is a foregone conclusion.” But would that be fair?

Comment on Heterodox Academy by justinwonder

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Tonyb,

“It is a very pernicious practice which Universities should feel empowered to speak robustly against, but they appear to be cowed by accusations of islamophobia.”

Hebdophobia! ;)


Comment on Heterodox Academy by Vaughan Pratt

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@RiH008: Will Heterodox Academy communicate with a world that may be the antithesis of the Academy’s principles?

I think you have that backwards. Will the world that is the antithesis of the Heterodox Academy’s principles communicate with HA? (What are the odds it would even return HA’s phone calls?)

Good call, Mosher, about RiH008’s misattribution of that quote to Woody Allen. One imagines he doesn’t know much about climate either.

Comment on Heterodox Academy by Vaughan Pratt

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Those who say nostalgia’s not what it used to be should take a look at polarization.

Comment on Heterodox Academy by Michael

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Yes,,

Thank god his predecessor was such a shining beacon of rational disinterest.

Comment on Heterodox Academy by Vaughan Pratt

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@PL: It’s really frightening that an ideologue like Obama

Don’t believe a word of what Peter Lang says. I’m an ideologue like Obama and I know for a fact he’s not frightened by me.

Comment on Heterodox Academy by richardswarthout

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Tony

Have you seen the latest poll on the US Republican primary? First and second place are Trump 27% and Ben Carson 23%. Several months ago I favored and spoke to you about Carson. I now favor Carly Fioina and believe she’ll be the next president. There is a big debate tonight between the Republican candidates. If you have the opportunity, I recommend that you record and watch it. You’ll see why my vote will be for her.

Richard

Comment on Heterodox Academy by aaron

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Problem is that when politicians compromise, the public often ends up with the worse of both worlds.

Comment on Heterodox Academy by jim2

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I at one time supported Fiorina. However, since then she has stated the 14th amendment allows “anchor babies.” That is, foreign women who come into the US to have a child. According to the “popular” interpretation of the 14th amendment, that baby is automatically a citizen of the US. But that interpretation is taken without historical context.

The 14th amendment was written in the context of slavery. The writers wanted to be sure there was no way to interpret the amendment in such a way that would keep slaved from being classed as citizens.

Therefore, I can no longer support Fiorina.

Some references:
In 1868, the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and slaves who had been emancipated after the American Civil War, including them under the umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.” In all, the amendment comprises five sections, four of which began in 1866 as separate proposals that stalled in legislative process and were amalgamated into a single amendment.
http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/fourteenth-amendment

Here is a rather lengthy exposition of the times when the 14th was written.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1432084


Comment on Heterodox Academy by richardswarthout

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Jim2

The anchor baby industry needs to be stopped but I believe Carly’s position is one of facing the facts. There have already been Supreme Court decisions related to the 14th ammendment and most lawyers, including those not usually liberal, see no future in getting a court opinion that could stop that industry; Ted Cruz has, in the past, taken Fiorina’s position. I think you will hear that the best answer is to stop the expectant anchor baby mothers at the border.

Richard

Comment on Heterodox Academy by bobdroege

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The woman in question was acting as the government and as such has no first amendment rights to not issue marriage licenses to those qualified to get them.

And it’s Matthew 7 for those who refuse to bake cakes for gay couples.

It is a reasonable accommodation to allow the wearing of the Hajib.

Comment on Heterodox Academy by jim2

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Only the government can “act as the government.” She is an employee and a citizen. The department in question should have had the supervisor handle it or someone else.

As I said before, being an EMPLOYEE of the government does not void that persons rights.

Comment on Heterodox Academy by ordvic

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Christ (/kraɪst/; Ancient Greek: Χριστός; from the Egyptian kheru, meaning “word” or “voice”) is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ) and the Syriac ܡܫܝܚܐ (M’shiha), the Messiah, and is used as a title for Jesus in the New Testament.[3][4] In common usage, “Christ” is generally treated as synonymous with Jesus of Nazareth.[4][5] The followers of Jesus became known as Christians (as in Acts 11:26) because they believed Jesus to be the Messiah (Christós) prophesied in the Hebrew Bible,[6][7] for example in the Confession of Peter.

Jesus came to be called “Jesus Christ”, meaning “Jesus the Christós” (i.e. Jesus, the anointed; or “Jesus, the Messiah” by his followers) after his death and believed resurrection.[6][8] Before, Jesus was usually referred to as “Jesus of Nazareth” or “Jesus son of Joseph”.[8] In the epistles of Paul the Apostle, the earliest texts of the New Testament,[9] Paul most often referred to Jesus as “Christ Jesus”, or “Christ”.[10] Christ was originally a title, yet later became part of the name “Jesus Christ”, though it is still also used as a title, in the reciprocal use Christ Jesus, meaning “The Messiah Jesus”.[11]

Jesus was not, and is not, accepted by most Jews as the Messiah.[12] Religious Jewish people still await the Messiah’s first coming, while Christians await the Second Coming of Christ, when they believe he will fulfill the rest of Messianic prophecy.[13] Muslims accept Jesus as the Messiah (known as Isa al-Masih) but not as the Son of God, but still do believe he will come again as Christians believe.[14]

The area of Christian theology called Christology is primarily concerned with the nature and person of Jesus Christ as recorded in the canonical gospels and the letters of the New Testament.[15]

The word Christ (or similar spellings) appears in English and most European languages. It is derived from the Greek word Χριστός, Christós (transcribed in Latin as Christus), in the New Testament as a description for Jesus. It is ultimately derived from the Egyptian word kheru, meaning “Word” or “Voice” (cognates: logos, chrism; charisma).[16][17]Christ is now often used as if it were a name, one part of the name “Jesus Christ”, but is actually a title (the Messiah). Its usage in “Christ Jesus” emphasizes its nature as a title.[6][11]

The language of the Israelites was Aramaic

The name “Jesus” was a common one among the Israelites at the time of Jesus’ birth and it means “Yahweh saves.” Among ancient peoples a name expressed the person’s place in the universe or it could also express a man’s activity or destiny.[8]

In the New Testament, in Luke 1:31 an angel tells Mary to name her child Jesus, and in Matthew 1:21 an angel tells Joseph to name the child. The Gospel of Matthew places special emphasis on the origin of the names of Jesus, Matthew 1:21-23 discussing the two names Jesus and Emmanuel.[9][10] The significance is underscored by the fact that Matthew pays more attention to the name of the child and its theological implications than the actual birth event itself.[9][10]

Comment on Heterodox Academy by climatereason

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Richard

Yes, I remember you were quite keen on Carson. Why have you switched allegiance?

If you find a link to their debate please post it, I doubt it will be shown on British tv.

Tonyb

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