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Comment on RICO! by Brian G Valentine

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Instead, follow the integrity.

I know of no (euphemistically labelled) “climate skeptic” who has had their integrity proven to be faulty. Try as they will, the junk peddlers can’t find a thing on any of them.

Compare that with some of the well-known and strident “planet protectors” and their thoroughly questionable “character”

Such as
– Al Gore
– Gore’s questionable side kick in the IPCC
– Jim Hansen
– Phil Jones
– On and on

Some of these people aim at “redemption” of their nefarious behavior by attacking “deniers”


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Comment on Week in review – science edition by nickels

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@Danley Interesting, thanks. Reference, or maybe just an observation?

My obvious distate being the question of why the government (Cass’s legacy) is in the business of influencing people’s thinking; not a trait of a Liberal society…

Comment on RICO! by matthewrmarler

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Jim D: You are the one who followed the money from BP to Chu and hit a dead end.

You are the one who said to follow the money. It does not reliably lead to information on criminal behavior, in this field.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by ordvic

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Brian G Valentine

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We recognize the interpretation of “thing having a certain influence sometimes” and “thing having opposite influence other times” as a hallmark of Junk Science and indistinguishable from the interpretation “thing has no discernible influence”

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by JCH

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In conclusion, I don’t find any “elegant demolition” of Callendar’s paper there.

Thanks again for an interesting study,

w.

Apparently Shrub disagrees.

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Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by Brandon S? (@Corpus_no_Logos)

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Steven Mosher: <blockquote>note that NO where have I said it was MERELY a history.</blockquote> I chided you for criticizing someone for saying things you yourself had said. You responded by saying: <blockquote>yes. since I wrote a HISTORY of what skeptics were arguing that would be the case.</blockquote> If you want to defend yourself by claiming you didn't say you said it "was MERELY a history," you can, but nobody will take you seriously. Your response to me was only responsive if it was a defense where you defended your mistake by claiming to merely have said those things as writing a history of what skeptics were arguing. If you said it for any other reason, your response wasn't responsive. <blockquote>Go ahead and quote where I take positions. That was 2009 and if my positions have changed I will gladly explain.</blockquote> Um, no. I'm still waiting for you to go back and explain things where you last called me a liar. You even <a href="http://www.hi-izuru.org/wp_blog/2015/08/best-slanders-critics/#comment-7411" rel="nofollow">showed up</a> to join the discussion when I wrote a post about it only to double down on your position, then ran away again rather than try to resolve anything. So no, I'm not going to pretend you're actually willing to try to resolve things. Because you're not. The moment you can't handle something I say, you'll either run away, or you'll throw out some pathetic insults then you'll run away. That's all you ever do. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed or experienced it.

Comment on RICO! by AK

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Not always. Specifically, not in the Tobacco case. That one was civil.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by opluso

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SM:

…missing data is not I dont know. Missing data is mathematically the same as the average of the whole globe…

What is the impact on BEST’s error range attribitable to this treatment of missing data? Is it assumed that it adds nothing to the error bars?

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by Steven Mosher

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Brandon

Clearly you understand the difference between me writing that I wrote a history of what skeptics were saying and you claiming that I said
what I wrote was MERELY a history.

It was history, it was mystery, it was some polemics.. In the lasy chapter that Tom wrote.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by Steven Mosher

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Brandon

You claimed that Muller said things he did not say.
I even explained to you in mail .
so you need to apoligize

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by angech2014

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Unintended humor or did someone switch Joseph’s lights on?

Joseph | September 21, 2015 at 1:10 pm |
We can use renewables to do that.

climatereason | September 21, 2015 at 1:37 pm |
Joseph Which ones?

Joseph | September 21, 2015 at 1:55 pm |
The process is not going to happen overnight, Tony.”

especially if you are dependent on solar power.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by opluso

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<blockquote>When is the last time the temperature increased by .8C in such a short period of time?</blockquote> This morning, between 6:32 and 7:05 am.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by RiHo08

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I am 1/2 way through the book (I admit to being a slow reader) and several items stand out to me. Longhurst goes through his arguments and then moves on. No moralizing or not very much. Those items to which I pay particular attention have to do with oceanography which I understand was his career vocation. Other items that were mentioned have been mention before on this blog by Chief (Robert Ellison), and Capt’nDallas regarding ocean currents and abrupt climate change plus the talking points of Willis Eschenbach regarding tropical cumulus clouds.

I sure wish Steven Mosher was more specific regarding his dissing chapter 4. Making comparisons between BEST and other data sets is not my shtick.

So far, the book seems to be a narrative providing a viewpoint that I can read, absorb and consider; really, all that I believe Longhurst wanted.

I agree with Judith, good read and worth thinking about.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by RiHo08

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Judith Curry,

Moderation seems like an unwarranted place for me since I am giving just half thoughts.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by Brandon S? (@Corpus_no_Logos)

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Steven Mosher:

Brandon

You claimed that Muller said things he did not say.
I even explained to you in mail .
so you need to apoligize

No, you did not. As the post I linked to clearly shows, Richard Muller said exactly what I claimed he said. You showed up to try to argue he didn’t say what I claimed he said despite the post providing proof he did, then you promptly ran away and everyone just shook their heads at you because nobody could understand how you could believe he didn’t say exactly what I claimed he said.

And no, you didn’t explain anything “in mail.” I can show people every mail you’ve ever sent me. Nobody will agree with you any of them contain any such explanation.

You’re just making things up Mosher. The only person who owes anyone an apology is you, for calling me a liar for saying something that was completely true, and for continuing to defend your ridiculous accusation for weeks.

Well, I guess Muller also owes everyone an apology for telling people BEST had released data it hadn’t released. I mean, that is probably something he should apologize for too.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by Willard

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Eli may have a robust way to remind you of a resolution you just made to read before commenting, TonyB:

Well it turns out that while Slocum was skeptical of many of Callendar’s choices of records to exclude he was no one’s fool. If bunnies go and read the paper the conclusion in the conclusion, reasonable at the time, was

It may be hoped that the collection of standardized measurements of CO2 can be made a part of the 1957-58 International Geophysical Year program. Once a dependable set of observational data has been assembled, the evidence of the old observations can perhaps be reevaluated. If such new reevaluation proves impracticable, even then a reliable set of new worldwide observations can serve as a basis for comparison in future years.

In summary, the data, at present available, are inadequate as they now stand to prove or disprove a statistically significant trend in CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. If and when an upward trend has been demonstrated, and its cause ascertained, it will then be valid to base physical explanations of atmospheric events on the assumption that CO2 is increasing. Meanwhile, Callendar’s interesting extrapolations (through the 22d century) of the effects of burning up of the world’s fuel, stimulate the interest of the speculatively minded.

This paper provided strong motivation within the Weather Bureau for funding the Keeling measurements on Mauna Loa as part of the 1957-58 IGU. Moreover, Slocum was exactly right, the Keeling measurements quickly lead to to re-evaluation of the older records, indicating that Callendar’s selection was the correct one and pointing to reasons why many of the older measurements were problematic. The Slocum paper also has an important listing of early measurements.

http://rabett.blogspot.com/2013/02/rtfr-pops.html

When you do, please take time to take back your “elegantly refuted” instead of going silent like you did earlier and elswhere in the thread.

Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by Michael Pettengill

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The author raises objections to the hypothesis that man burning fossil fuels is causing climate change that were raised in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s and researchers looked at each objection and found that none could account for the observed change in the environment.

For example, the sun is not increasing its energy output enough.

The sun is not moving closer or hitting the earth more in the northern hemisphere enough.

There are not enough volcanoes to cause the warming,

The earth’s core is not undergoing higher nuclear reactions to warm the earth.

The earth has not been hit by more objects from space to cause warming.

And on and on through all the proposed alternative reasons.

The author simply raises the objections but fails to report the research that excludes those factors as causing the changing environment.

We do not completely understand past periods of warming and cooling, but we do know that
1) they never happened as fast as the earth is warming over the past two centuries – fossil fuel burning has been increasing for four centuries
2) they coincide with major events like massive volcanoes or big meteor or comet impacts, none of which have occurred at the scale required for over five centuries

Why doesn’t the author actually do original research to prove that something other than burning fossil fuels is causing the problem, something that no scientist has ever thought to study in the past century?? Maybe nothing the author can think of hasn’t already been researched and excluded???

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