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Comment on New book: Doubt and Certainty in Climate Science by Steven Mosher

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“JimD, thank you for your reply. BEST detect and correct for inhomogeneities.
Once done there are none left. The imperfections have been removed.
Once there are no imperfections something is perfect.
QED.”

The imperfections will never be removed. Period. What you aim for
is LESS bad, closer to the truth.

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This does not mean the data is correct but it is correct to say that such data allows Steven to make the laughable claim that one can take any bit of the data, in any order, Pristine data, Dirty data, dogs breakfast data and have it all give the same perfect result.”

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Wrong. That is not the claim.

1. Take the 110 sites blessed by WUWT as “pristine”. They
are built and mainted to a spec.
2. Using them construct a spatial model to predict the temp
at other locations ( in the US for this demonstration
3. Predict the temps at the locations of so called “bad” stations.
4. Your predictions will match the actual, with some error
but nothing remarkable.
OR
1. Construct an average from the 100 pristine sites
2. Construct an average from the bad sites
3. compare them
4. You’ll not see any substantial difference.

So they match, as I said, you inferred perfectly… nothing is perfect son


Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by Mark Silbert

Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by Mark Silbert

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Peter Lang,

“An example of what could be achieved would be if the USA (and IAEA) removed the impediments to nuclear power that are causing it to be far more expensive than it could and should be. This act alone could unleash innovation and global competition leading to cheaper, safer and more reliable electricity for the world.”

You get a +1,000,000 as well.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by beththeserf

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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.366/abstract

They focus on ‘climate change communication’ and not
the changing weather. Melbourne in Spring …

Perverse Spring, always changing
like a moody teenager, by the hour,
now maverick sunshine, now passing shower.

Full moon to crescent waning,
last month’s blossom trees a cherry-pink riot,
this month’s are snow drifts of transient white.

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by timg56

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One could look at it as the children growing up. Little Greenpeace, Sierra, WWF and NRDC have learn how the game is played. Revolving doors between agency and business are nothing new.

The question becomes do you hold NGO’s to the same standards as you think Boeing, Exxon, Morgan Stanley and the rest should be held to.

Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by jim2

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Ditto the pluses. It appears Germany’s Merkel and Obumbles are in a race to see who can deep 6 Western Civilization the quickest. At the moment, she’s ahead I believe.

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by timg56

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Steven it is times like this that remind me why I take you seriously. (Not that it matters to you.)

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by timg56

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Folks,

Leave Joseph alone. He has repeatedly stated he isn’t qualified or knowledgeable enough to evaluate the science. He has also regularly demonstrated critical thinking skills that are on par with those of my slightly retarded brother.


Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by Jim D

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Yes, I don’t think they are asking the EPA to make plans now beyond 2030, because they have to plan for that first, but the broader INDC commitment for all sectors is 80%, and more useful as a guideline if you are looking at effects out to 2100 as Cato was. It is plainly a bad assumption for them to think they will just stop at 30% given this broader context. It is almost like they are trying to downplay the policy’s effect deliberately, because I think many were fooled by the 0.02 C number, and not being given the number for the long-term commitment of all sectors.

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by Steven Mosher

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“I don’t see her pointing out any integrity issues with the “skeptical.” side. Why is her outrage so selective, Steven? Are the skeptics and fossil fuel industry all angels on this issue?”

Its simple. Other people are calling out FF industry… noo point in piling on.

Its a rare person who can call out both sides equally.

Further it has no bearing on the necessity of calling out the EPA and greens.

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by Steven Mosher

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by Danny Thomas

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JimD,
I don’t think that’s correct at all. The EPA has a published and marketed set of goals and the fact that those goals do not achieve much in the way of accomplishment towards the purported goal of addressing global warming needs to have the light of day shined upon it. Dr. Curry used (rightly IMO) the evidence at hand. The RCP scenarios have numerous built in assumptions and much reliance is paid to those scenarios. Having a fair and even handed evaluation of those scenarios published is eminently reasonable. At least as reasonable as the publishing of the scenarios themselves.

As you stated: “It is almost like they are trying to downplay the policy’s effect deliberately, because I think many were fooled by the 0.02 C number, and not being given the number for the long-term commitment of all sectors.” It is equally ‘almost like others are trying to up play the BAU scenarios’ and based on the observable evidence in hand that scenario could lead to ‘many being fooled’ as well. In fact, I believe Dr. Curry told you earlier in this thread she has participated in the review of a work indicating the numbers might be even less. Peer review and all, ya know.

Keep in mind the heading of this post: “Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions”.

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by Danny Thomas

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TIMG56,
Please don’t.

There are many more of us out here who don’t have the background and can use the assistance of those of you who do. I ask for that assistance regularly myself as I’m aware of my lacking.

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by Jim D

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Like I said, a poor assumption to say that no further reduction takes place after 2030 given the INDC that I am sure they know about, wouldn’t you agree? What were they thinking?

Comment on Carbon mandate: an account of collusion, cutting corners and costing Americans billions by Danny Thomas

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Jim D,

What were they thinking? I think it’s stated quite clearly. The EPA’s emissions regs won’t prove effective.

The rest is all assumptions.


Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by Faustino aka Genghis Cunn

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kim! Welcome back. I’ve tried to be amusing at times in your absence, but could never be an adequate substitute for your pithy humour.

Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by Danley Wolfe

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Philip Tetlock’s book titled “Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction” is of interest. Jason Zweig reviewed it in the 9/26 WSJ. Among other conclusions:
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“superforecasters,” have above-average—but rarely genius-level intelligence. Many are mathematicians, scientists or software engineers
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The most careful, curious, open-minded, persistent and self-critical—as measured by a battery of psychological tests—did the best
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“What you think is much less important than how you think,” superforecasters regard their views “as hypotheses to be tested, not treasures to be guarded.”
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Most experts—like most people—“are too quick to make up their minds and too slow to change them”
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experts are paid not just to be right, but to sound right: cocksure even when the evidence is sparse or ambiguous.

Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by Faustino aka Genghis Cunn

Comment on Week in review – energy and policy edition by Faustino aka Genghis Cunn

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This could trigger hyperinflation in pluses. You might need 10 million to buy a loaf of bread. Though both posts are deserving of support.

Comment on Hiatus revisionism by Hifast

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