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Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by Michael

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J seems to have a reasonable point. The letter calls for,
“…a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) investigation of corporations and other organizations that have knowingly deceived the American people about the risks of climate change, as a means to forestall America’s response to climate change”

Which Judith turns into this,
” these 20 scientists sent a letter to the White House calling for their political opponents to be investigated by the government.”

J, rather politely, called it a “mischaracterization”.

It’s actually an outright falsehood. A rhetorical ploy to engage the emotions, not the reason, of the audience.

Anyone with even a tiny shred of INTEGRITY, would retract and apologise.


Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by kim

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JD, it is curious that there are no Democratic politicians who are skeptical of the catastrophic narrative. There is only one side of the ideological divide which is monolithic in belief about the climate, locally, regionally, nationally, and internationally.

Very fragile, scientifically. This is a political weakness, too.
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Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by Michael

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DavidT | September 29, 2015 at 8:34 pm |

” without an investigation, how will we know if JC is guilty of the specified misdeeds? Does Willard honestly believe that JC would not be questioned in any RICO investigation, ”

David,
I think that might be answered by the fragment you continue to pointedly ignore in your selective quotations;
“…the misdeeds that have been documented in books and journal articles…”

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by DavidT

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Michael,

Perhaps you missed the underlying purported justification for the RICO investigation as set out in the Whitehouse op-ed which the signatories strongly endorse. They clearly disagree with you.

I hope you are considering an apology for your false and reckless statement and thereby salvaging some of your integrity. Otherwise, I see no point in engaging with you further.

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by jim2

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From the site:
Jagadish Shukla
President, IGES
Washington D.C. Metro AreaResearch
Current
George Mason University, Institute of Global Environment and Society (IGES)
Previous
Center for Ocean-Land-Atmosphere Studies (COLA), University of Maryland, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Education
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jagadish-shukla/33/20b/930

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by jim2

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Jagadish Shukla
Distinguished University Professor, George Mason University (GMU)
President, Institute of Global Environment and Society (IGES)
4041 Powder Mill Road, Suite 302, Calverton, MD 20705-3106
Tel: (301) 595-7000; Fax: (301) 595-9793; Web: http://www.iges.or

grads.iges.org/people/shukla_cv_short.doc

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Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by AK

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D’Ya suppose they’ll claim their website was hacked? The whole letter was put up as a prank?


Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by Michael

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” Grijalva’”

David,

Is he one of the signatories to the letter?

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by kim

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Tobis is over there in comments jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof. He brought it on himself. It’s becoming more and more clear that not only are lots of people in it for the gold, but also that those who aren’t are in it for the fame, the power, or the moral preening. Find one who’s in it for the science.

Yes, they exist; let’s find ’em and thank ’em.
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Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by Michael

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DavidT | September 29, 2015 at 9:11 pm |
“Perhaps you missed the underlying purported justification for the RICO investigation as set out in the Whitehouse op-ed which the signatories strongly endorse. They clearly disagree with you.”

David, Yes, I’ve read it, which makes your comments all the more strange.

“To be clear: I don’t know whether the fossil fuel industry and its allies engaged in the same kind of racketeering activity as the tobacco industry. We don’t have enough information to make that conclusion. Perhaps it’s all smoke and no fire. But there’s an awful lot of smoke.” – Whitehouse

Perhaps you’re being a bit alarmist?

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by rabbit

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“D’Ya suppose they’ll claim their website was hacked?”

I’m trying to figure out “inadvertently” means in the note that replaced the letter. The letter just slipped onto their web site by accident, did it?

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by DavidT

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I note you did not respond as to whether you are prepared to apologize for your false and reckless statement. Your last comment is also thoroughly dishonest – you refuse to acknowledge how it completely contradicts your previous assertion (or the implications). There is no profit in continuing this exchange with you. Good bye.

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by kim

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Lovely communicator they’ve got there, one with a multi-million dollar NSF contract.
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Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by Faustino aka Genghis Cunn

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Well, Khal, my repeated suggestion is that we acknowledge that the future is uncertain, we are very poor at prediction and the future will always surprise us; and given that the costly centrally-controlled anti-GHG measures proposed or adopted will have negligible impact on climate, which by the way hasn’t warmed since 1998, and that they are many more pressing issues which could be addressed at a fraction of the cost, we should concentrate on policies which help us to deal well with whatever future emerges. These wouldn’t be centrally-dictated, they would foster self-reliance, entrepreneurship, innovation etc, based on market forces and free trade etc etc (see earlier posts), they would maximise our ability to cope in part by increasing our economic wealth, that path which has taken billions from lives which were “nasty, brutish and short” to ones of relative comfort. So question no more.

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by jim2

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Shukla’s just trying to further the transfer of monies from the US and the rest of the developed world to India and other under developed countries. As a US citizen, is pisses me off.

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by Faustino aka Genghis Cunn

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The “right to bare arms” is heavily qualified in Queensland by exhortations to slap on lots of sunblock.

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by Jim D

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Exxon’s single-minded view as I said elsewhere here is to keep oil sales up. They probably don’t like that demand is dropping and overseas production is cheaper, and so they have to practically give the stuff away at not much over $2.00 per gallon, which is an area where they differ from the public at large who welcome low fuel prices.
You didn’t answer why elected Republicans have the almost 100% view that warming is not mostly manmade and therefore that emissions should not be reduced, which sets them apart from the population, not just from scientists. What drives them to this divergence of thought? What common idea do they have that motivates this thinking? I don’t think it is a conspiracy, but a practical control over them by their party. They don’t have much independent say at all in this area.

Comment on My Fox News op-ed on RICO by jim2

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From the site:

IGES / COLA Staff Directory

Main Phone Number: (703) 993-5700
Fax Number: (703) 993-5770
Add “@cola.iges.org” to COLA email ID to create email addresses
Add “@gmu.edu” to GMU email ID to create email addresses

IGES
Title: Name: GMU Email ID: COLA Email ID:
President: Shukla, Jagadish
Assistant to the President and Assistant Business Manager: Shukla, Sonia
Business Manager: Shukla, Anastasia
COLA

http://www.iges.org/people/people.html

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