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Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by Don Monfort

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Stop being so freaking dishonest, yoey. That phony cheap-trick propaganda doesn’t sell here. A few hundred thousand dollars that Exxon gave to Heartland a decade ago is a nit in the grand scheme of things.

If you dogmatic alarmist clowns who come here just to poke the deniers with a sharp stick would stop the foolishness, the quality of the discussion would improve. Maybe Fred Moulten and Pekka would come back.


Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by bedeverethewise

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In the history of human civilization, there have been discoveries or changes that have radically changed the human condition. Things like the ability to control fire, agriculture, written language, metallurgy.

When humans figured out that it was possible convert heat energy in work, it was a change that rivals all others. Over the last hundred or so years, we have gone from poor short lives to long rich lives. And the foundation of that change is the ability to convert heat energy into work, the industrial revolution running on fossil fuels.

Not only did this change increase the standard of living, it has played a significant role in ending slavery, bringing equal rights to women, feeding the world, mobilizing humanity, etc.. In addition, because each invention builds on many previous inventions, we are currently in the middle of a technology explosion. Steam leads to electricity, to light, to a better microscope, to microbiology. A mechanical calculator leads to computers, to advanced software, to the internet, to the near instantaneous sharing of information, to an almost ridiculous amount of collaboration.

My grandmother lived in a dirt floor shack, less than 100 years ago. The boys in her family typically quit school at age 14 to start working as farm hands. The women had no choice but to do housework, it was simply the work that needed to be done.

When it come to fossil fuels, you need to understand why we are here and how we got here before you can try to figure out where we go from here. The industrial revolution was the greatest thing to happen to humanity since agriculture,

As for tobacco, it’s gross.

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by jim2

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They need to go after Buffett for shipping all that coal and crude oil. Why stop at just the source? Gouge the shippers also.

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by jim2

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From the article:

9 November 2015 – Met Office data for 2015 so far shows that, for the first time, global mean temperature at the Earth’s surface is set to reach 1 °C above pre-industrial levels

This represents an important marker as the world continues to warm due to human influence.

‘Uncharted territory’
Based on data from January to September, the HadCRUT dataset jointly run by the Met Office and the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia shows 2015 global mean temperature at 1.02 °C (±0.11 °C) above pre-industrial levels*.

Stephen Belcher, Director of the Met Office Hadley Centre, said: “We have seen a strong El Nino develop in the Tropical Pacific this year and that will have had some impact on this year’s global temperature.

“We’ve had similar natural events in the past, yet this is the first time we’re set to reach the 1 °C marker and it’s clear that it is human influence driving our modern climate into uncharted territory.”

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/release/archive/2015/one-degree

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by jim2

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Governor Moonbeam likes oil too. Somebody needs to include this Dimowit in the RICO suit. From the article:

A worker in the state oil and gas regulatory agency lodged a whistleblower’s complaint over being ordered to prepare a state map of the oil and gas potential, history and geology of California Gov. Jerry Brown’s family ranch, the worker and her attorney said Monday.

Jennie Catalano, a mapping specialist who has been with the state Department of Conservation for 18 years, brought the complaint. She contends she faced unspecified retaliation after being suspected of lodging the complaint over being directed to do the personal work for Brown, said her attorney, William Rehwald.

“I was asked to help her in part because she does feel that she’s being retaliated against because she’s a whistleblower,” Rehwald said.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/09/california-governor-faces-whistleblowers-charges.html

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by kim

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The Gore Effect on rails. Within days of Obama’s Keystone announcement a unit train of tankers partially derails. Fortunately only one car was punctured, and no fatalities. Ontario wasn’t so lucky last year.
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Comment on Natural climate variability during 1880-1950: A response to Shaun Lovejoy by Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup #204 | Daily Green World

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by kim

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Naw, merely dallying with a flame-proof entity.
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Comment on Informed Consent for Climate Policy by Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup #204 | Daily Green World

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by Knute

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by kim

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Now I know the tremendous enrichment of the human condition pre-industrial to now is not all down to that 1 degree C of warming, but some of it is.
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Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by kim

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Brown has no faith in his forebears. The land, in his family for generations, and none of them thought to think about what was under it?

A hypocritical fool. Oh, and that’s not all.
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Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by Joseph

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You have to put into context of all the other organizations that are “skeptical” of climate change that Exxon gives to, Don. I mentioned Heartland because they are know for their one sided views on climate change and are known what I would campaign siding with big tobacco. I guess you aren’t going to answer my question which I asked before you.

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by Joseph

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Well Don this post is about Exxon, What kind of responses do you expect? I think you can blame Dr. Curry for that, right?

Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by Knute

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Kim

Very few things illustrate the stupidity and corruption of the CAGW/CO2 call to action than 100 car trainloads of explosive fuel rumbling thru the nation.


Comment on Accountability for Climate Change Damages: Is Fossil Fuel Like Tobacco? by kim

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Heh, Buffet just bought a billion tank cars, er a billion dollars’ worth of tank cars. At this point, what difference does it make?

Chemin de fergodsake.
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Comment on Lomborg: Impact of Current Climate Proposals by Lomborg: Impact of Current Climate Proposals | Enjeux énergies et environnement

Comment on Lomborg: Impact of Current Climate Proposals by kim

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The Masque of Paris nigh.
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Comment on Lomborg: Impact of Current Climate Proposals by George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA

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Looks like the projected temperature increase, Lomborg calculated look more an more like the yellow hole in a snow bank.

Comment on Lomborg: Impact of Current Climate Proposals by FrancisT

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It seems like the whole Paris summit (and for that matter may previous similar gatherings) can be summed up by the “Politician’s Syllogism”, whichis a logical fallacy of the form:

We must do something
‘This’ is something
Therefore we must do ‘this’

Even though ‘this’ won’t actually sole the problem for which something must be done

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