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November 15, 2015, 11:40 pm

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Mark

Amber Rudd appears to be a pragmatist who, I would imagine was shaken at what happened here a week ago when on a very mild evening Govt emergency energy measures had to be utilised as, with some 1.5% leeway, we came very close to major black outs. Those measures consist of paying lots of money to industry to stop working and the use of large diesel generating units around the country to provide emergency power.

She has now suggested we need some 25 new power stations, something we all could have told her 5 years ago.

The govt is shutting down perfectly good generating capacity because it is not as green as the wind and solar installations that, at 5.30pm on Wednesday, were not working. Solar having this distressing tendency not to work at night and wind farms having the equally baffling failure not to generate power when the wind isn’t blowing.

tonyb

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November 15, 2015, 11:53 pm

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Excellent point. I agree 100%

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November 16, 2015, 5:11 pm

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Hi Judith,
Why look only at CO2? N2O, methane, tropospheric ozone, and (post 1940) halocarbon compounds contributed a significant fraction of total forcing… about 30% of the total in the last 20 years or more…. but each with potentially different temporal trajectory. I mean, if you want to consider temperature change versus forcing, why not all man-made GHG’s instead of just CO2?

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November 16, 2015, 5:13 pm

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Bright side and dark,
in the see – saw of
climate variabiliity,
Victoria finally
free of Tassie. )

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November 16, 2015, 5:14 pm

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2 more things, we cut down the forests of Europe, the Mid east cleared the,Eastern N. Americian hardwood forest for farmland, cut down the mid mountain forest to lay RR ties for the Transcontinental RR. and now Indonesia and South American forests are being burned to put in grasslands and 6 ft tall crops. Trading hundred of canopy height for the short crops we grow is probably a loss overall rather than a gain.
And Salt Lake is growing, it used to be called Lake Boniville and cover half the state of Utah, like Lake Pyramid did Nevada. The point is if the Cali drought continues and the rain is heat driven over the mountains, then water may be found by them over there, maybe in a short time frame.

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November 16, 2015, 5:31 pm

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Yep, it’s water world all right. And all these big climatic shifts have been quite recent, more recent than the earliest settlements and even towns like Jericho and Catal Hayuk. Of course, by the time of the 2200 BC Bond Event there was plenty to wreck. And it got wrecked.

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November 16, 2015, 5:46 pm

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TE

The University of Michigan hold the international borehole data. It is here

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/borehole/core.html

The results from each continent can be examined.

Huang is one of the major authors of articles on the subject. I had an email exchange with the person last year. I think it would be an interesting topic for a post here as undoubtedly the majority (but not all) of the reconstructions show a 400 year long warming but obviously lack the resolution of something like CET

tonyb

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November 16, 2015, 5:57 pm

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Every hot event in one hemisphere is balanced by a cold event in the other.

No, ice core data shows Antarctic and Greenland coming out of the last major ice age at the same time. http://popesclimatetheory.com/page85.html

Shorter cycles are somewhat leading or lagging, but Longer cycles try to stay to stay closer together.

The thermostats in both hemispheres is the temperature that Polar Oceans thaw and freeze and the ocean mixing is enough that they never get out of sync. Temperature on earth is bounded because it snows more in warm times and it snows less in cold times.

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November 16, 2015, 6:03 pm

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to make mile high glaciers that cover pole caps on down requires maybe record amounts of ice and snow to fall from the sky. And heat is the only thing I know of to take it from sea level and put it in the sky in amounts to make the massive Ice sheets and glacier.

The ocean levels were higher and the oceans were warmer and that did provide the moisture for the snowfall that put the water from oceans on land as ice. There is not enough water in the oceans for that to happen now. You would need to melt most of Greenland and much of Antarctic, first, to get enough water in the oceans to create another major ice age.

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November 16, 2015, 6:03 pm

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Well J J, fossil fuels use actually up less landscape
than them miles ‘n miles of wind turbines and solar
panels required to supply global energy needs. Why,
to meet present US energy needs, you’d require solar
panels covering an area the size of Spain, or wind
farms the area of Kazakhstan.

And we are actually reforesting land because we’re
also taking up less land for farming with more efficient
farming production even with a growing population.
Organic crops, wood and bio-fuels actually need
more land, land, lotsa’ land, than efficient modern
practices, but Green activists like to ignore the
inconvenient facts. .

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November 16, 2015, 6:03 pm

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Mosomoso have you seen these?

BBC’s Orbit: Earth’s Extraordinary Journey is a three-part documentary about natural climate cycles, especially because there was no AGW crap involved. It can still be viewed online at the following links, highly recommend everyone to give it a go, well worth the time:

Episode 1: http://bit.ly/PiAyBs
Episode 2: http://bit.ly/Nsw7kn
Episode 3: http://bit.ly/MCa5yx

Cheers Peter M

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November 16, 2015, 6:06 pm

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will keep temperatures somewhere on Earth with the phase change range of water

The Polar Oceans freeze and thaw at the same temperature and keep the ice on land regulated to keep the polar ocean temperatures regulated. The rest of earth follows as best it can.

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November 16, 2015, 6:10 pm

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Sorry but the links are no longer working. The series now seems to be behind paywall.

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November 16, 2015, 6:21 pm

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Dr. C., where does this co2 hiatus come from, ice cores? Here’s one of ferdinand’s graphs which shows a steady rise of about 3 ppm per decade up until MLO:

Furthermore, if there is any relationship between temps and carbon, it is best reflected by a change in temperature (not a hiatus) affecting the change in the carbon growth rate as shown in bartemis’ graph:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/from:1959/mean:24/derivative/plot/hadcrut4sh/from:1959/scale:0.22/offset:0.10

Would you please elaborate on where they get this “co2 hiatus” from? Much appreciated…
Arthur

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November 16, 2015, 6:44 pm

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What would radical climatatologists say?

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November 16, 2015, 7:06 pm

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Justin

Good question. I tried to find the answer right after 9/11 and read several books. There can be no denying that many groups in the middle east and Africa get their strength and power by feeding off hatred toward the west.

Rivhard

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November 16, 2015, 7:22 pm

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Jim2

I think you’re right. General Jack Kean, retired vice chief of staff of the U.S. army, said essentially the same. He also said however that defeating radical Islam must be done from within; the president of Egypt has already spoken out against the cancer within Islam.

Richard

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November 16, 2015, 7:23 pm

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The pause is dying. Family members who need to say their piece are encourage to go to its bedside while there is still time. <a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/last:360/trend/plot/gistemp/to:2006/last:360/trend/plot/gistemp/to:1999/last:360/trend/plot/gistemp/to:2012/last:120/trend/plot/gistemp/from:1968/mean:4/mean:8" rel="nofollow">The pause can only get deader; it can never get well.</a> <a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/last:120/trend/plot/gistemp/last:72/trend/plot/gistemp/last:60/trend/plot/gistemp/last:48/trend/plot/gistemp/last:120/plot/gistemp/last:36/trend/plot/gistemp/last:24/trend" rel="nofollow">October anomaly is 1.04C</a> <a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/last:10/trend/plot/gistemp/last:10" rel="nofollow">Here's a close up</a>

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November 16, 2015, 7:24 pm

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peace out; paws up

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November 16, 2015, 7:42 pm

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From the article:
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Hacker group Anonymous have apparently responded to the attacks on Paris by posting a video declaration of war against the terrorist group that calls itself “Islamic State.”

In the as-yet-unverified video, posted on YouTube, a spokesperson wearing the group’s signature Guy Fawkes mask, said the group of hackers would use its expertise to wage “war” on the militant group.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/16/anonymous-hackers-declare-war-on-islamic-state.html