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Comment on Week in review – science edition by Mike Flynn

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It’s always interesting to note the absolute faith people place in the accuracy of computer programs or applications.

If anyone can find a way to prove a non-trivial computer program is error free, the IT world will fall at their feet. It’s even worse when amateur programmers who claim to be climatologists are involved.

But it’s even worse than that. Digital computers, by their very architecture, have finite precision. Unfortunately, chaotic systems cannot be relied on to produce approximately the same results given inputs which only vary by a value beyond the limits of the computer architecture. Generally, this will be a binary architecture, and there is always a value between the last zero/one pair at the digital computer’s limit of precision, which cannot be represented.

A practical example is shown by the efforts to predict the stock market sufficiently well to make money on each transaction, which would be theoretically possible, if the the stockmarket movement are truly chaotic and deterministic.

Alas, the best and the brightest, backed by the finest computer equipment, are unable to do better than throwing darts at a board, assisted by human luck. The stock market movements appear childishly trivial compared with the infinitely complicated movements of the various components of the Earth system.

There’s probably a chance of an afternoon storm here. The BOM, with its greatly superior pool of talent and equipment, agrees. A couple of days ago, they forecast a 10% chance of rain. It didn’t, but then again they didn’t say it would. I figure there’s a fair chance of rain. The Wet season started over a month ago, and we haven’t seen much rain yet, but I’m sure it will come. So is the Met Bureau, apparently, super computer models and all.

Cheers.


Comment on 400(?) years of warming by Vaughan Pratt

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@SoF: There is so many logical fallacies in that section alone, that it will take me more time to point them out than it took you to write that section.

Hmm, clearly not a dentist. Dentists can tell when the patient’s tongue is in his cheek.

Comment on 400(?) years of warming by Mike Flynn

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Vaughan Pratt,

Your graph left out the four and a half billion years of cooling, and doesn’t show why the world should magically decided to warm since 1900 or so.

Can you post a long term graph, and a supporting explanation?

Cheers.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by RiHo08

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I am in a funk. Why are my predictions so wrong? I have tried to predict the future, the future global temperature, and I am consistantly wrong, The summer will be warmer than the winter by how much? This winter, the Great Lakes will freeze over, really? The best minds and data sets give me clues, and then, they are wrong. I struggle. I really struggle.

Comment on 400(?) years of warming by PA

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CO2 emissions continue to follow the same trajectory they’ve been following for more than a century, atmospheric CO2 will have reached 936 ppmv according to the RCP8.5 concentration pathway formerly known as “business as usual”.

http://climatewatcher.webs.com/ChinaCO2.png.

There isn’t a chance that the CO2 levels will break 500.

China is 30% of global emissions and they are going down.

The rise in CO2 is going asymptotic anyway.

But keep dreaming the magic CO2 will come from somewhere.

YP I don’t know why you keep doing this.

Comment on Iatrogenic (?) climate policy by Jim D

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Don, yes, in this case shipping is a small fraction of the price, and in addition by telegraphing the increase in price, they have guaranteed a boom in Tesla sales in the near term. In short, Tesla will not be affected by Danish policy.

Comment on 400(?) years of warming by PA

Comment on Climate culture by Jantonone Werneken

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Maybe. Stupidity certainly does get enforced by culture and yes the purpose seem to be common action. But the benefit of common action is so far undemonstrated. The actual benefit to common culture is the same as religion, the possibility that most folks across a broad area may mostly tolerate each other trade with each other be able to communicate with some understanding; they may even agree upon which life forms may be killed or even eaten and share a common currency or measuring stick.

I’ve yet to see a benefit though of common action.


Comment on Climate culture by Mike Flynn

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Peter Davies,

You still haven’t said what happens when the climate stops changing, or how you intend to do it.

You haven’t indicated your preferable level of CO2, and why.

I am all for burning as much of Nature’s previously sequestered CO2, and putting it back into the atmosphere as can be achieved. I want to keep living. Don’t you?

Pollution is a separate argument, and I agree with the Chinese government in this regard. Like any cultist, you believe in doom and disaster, followed by death – you just cat explain why, or suggest any rational solution.

Are you prepared to state your preferred level of CO2, and support it against any scientific objections? I don’t believe you can or will, but I’m always prepared to be proven wrong.

Cheers.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by timg56

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Joseph,

There are several means to evaluate information and reach conclusions. Examining the data – in this case the rise and fall of demographic numbers – and identify correlations. In this instance the data shows that at some point emissions either level out or start to decrease in the developed world. That could be due to multiple causes. Or it could be coincidence. You know, the whole correlation thing.

If you were to look, I’m sure you will find papers, studies, articles, you name it, on demographic trends and impacts.

Comment on 400(?) years of warming by PA

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<i>Vaughan Pratt | November 21, 2015 at 8:43 pm | TLDW: Usually that’s Watch, PA, but perhaps you meant Write? Not sure which makes more sense.</i> Not used to dealing with ambiguous people. In the future for your edification I will use: TL;DWrt

Comment on Iatrogenic (?) climate policy by catweazle666

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So Jimbo, along with all your other astonishing array of talents, you’re an expert on British politics now, are you?

On yer bike, kid!

Comment on Week in review – science edition by timg56

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I grew up in Maryland, with azaleas’ all around the house. Was common knowledge they like acidic soil.

One of my jobs was to weed. Mom took care of feeding.

Comment on Climate culture by jungletrunks (@jungletrunks)

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There’s some comfort when an outlandish custom has to be found isolated somewhere in the world as opposed to the scaffolding of climate tyranny that circles the globe and is easily found in the lexicon of daily discussion.

Comment on Iatrogenic (?) climate policy by Jim D

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I keep up from time to time. It is where I grew up.


Comment on Week in review – science edition by PA

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The soil for rhododendrons and azaleas should be acid, somewhere between very strong and medium, that is, a pH of 4.5 to 5.5 or 6.0. The pH scale is graduated from 0 to 14. A pH of 7.0 is neutral; reactions above 7.0 are alkaline and below 7.0 are acid.

Very silly example. Making acidic soil more acidic is acidifying.

Any claim the average Ocean pH is going to drift to 5.0 PH is foolish and misinformed.

Comment on 400(?) years of warming by AK

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<blockquote>I was looking for H2O, water vapor and clouds under natural forcing in Assessment Report 5, but could not find it.</blockquote>They're not “<i>forcings</i>”, they're “<i>feedbacks</i>”. Granted, both “<i>forcings</i>” and “<i>feedbacks</i>” are myths, but you need to understand the theory behind the modelling philosophy if you want to be able to make any sense of the "science".

Comment on Week in review – science edition by timg56

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Don,
A lot of folks here can be wearisome at times. Willis and his thing about acidification is one example. Mosher and his read harder. Brandon S when he gets off on some point of minutia no one else seems to care about. You when you remind us you are 6’4″ and a hard case.

Look past it. Everyone I mention has my respect and I don’t let the stuff that irritates get in the way of that.

PS – didn’t want to leave out Rud and his regular mentioning of his eBooks. I have great respect for him as well.

PSS – my apologies to tonyb. Got nothing for you on the jerk/irritatent front. Only the respect part.

Comment on Iatrogenic (?) climate policy by Don Monfort

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Very clever thinking, yimmy. You are certainly correct that when the Danish tax credits are no longer available the shipping from the U.S. will be relatively a pittance compared to the price of that glorified golf cart that almost nobody would buy without sizable gubmint subsidies. Did you consider the fact that Danish taxpayers will not benefit from U.S tax credits? Thanks for playing, yimmy.

Comment on Week in review – science edition by Jim D

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Yes, it is encouraging that the developed countries are reducing emissions while GDP is increasing. This new trend of decoupling emissions from GDP growth should alleviate the main fear of the skeptics that the economy always has to go in the direction of CO2 emissions, and undermines one of their main talking points.

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