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Comment on A buoy-only sea surface temperature record by kenfritsch

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I have attempted to reconcile the Karl trends and the CIs for those trends without success and will now have to contact Karl, as the lead author of Karl (2015), about the details of their calculations used in this paper.

I obtain substantially larger CIs and somewhat smaller trends using either a linear regression or a spline smooth for determining the trend and using that trend to subtract from the ERSST V4 series to determine the residuals. From these residuals I obtain an ARMA model from which I can do Monte Carlo simulations to estimate CIs for the trends. For the spline smooth (df=7 and spar=0.75) I can use the entire 1854-2014 time period while for the linear regression trend I use the most linear part of the series and that being 1951-2014. The trends and CIs agree well using either method and mainly because the period analyzed follows a reasonably linear trajectory. I prefer, as a general approach to problems such as this one, to use the spline smooth method or alternately the Singular Spectrum Analyses decomposition and reconstruction method which do not assume the secular trends are linear.

What I have found by simulating a long series of 161 years using an ARMA model – similar to what I found by the above described methods for the residuals – and then finding the best fitting ARMA model using the last 15 and 17 years of that series is that the shorter 15 and 17 years are too short to see most of the autocorrelation effects of the 161 years series and thus the best fitting model in the shorter series lies closer to a white noise domain, i.e. ARMA(0,0). This is what I found when modeling the last 15 and 17 years of the ERSST V4 series.

If I restricted the ARMA model to ar1, as was the stated case for the Karl method of determining the trends CIs, the CIs would be substantially smaller if Karl used the 1998-2014 and 2000-2014 time periods for determining the ar1 than if the longer periods were used as I prescribed above. Even when I attempt to estimate CIs by what I judge to be the method used in Karl (2015) the CIs are larger than those reported by Karl.

If indeed the ARMA models that best fit the longer and shorter ERSST V4 series were as different as one would measure using the longer and shorter time periods one would have to suspect something very different was affecting these 2 periods – like the adjustments made. I do not think that is the case, but rather the limitation of ARMA modeling short time series – as my simulations showed.


Comment on Decision making under uncertainty – maximize expected social welfare by -1=e^iπ

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@ Peter Lang –

“I am seeking a reality check on the global average discount rates used in DICE-2013R – i.e., 5.2% in 2010”

If I use the best estimate of Layard et al. for the coefficient of relative risk aversion (1.24) and I use the inverse of global life expectancy for the social rate of time preference (1.41%), then this is roughly in agreement with the observed after-tax real riskless interest rates for the US. As the world’s real GDP per capita is growing at a rate of about 3% per year, this suggests that world real riskless after-tax interest rates should be around 5.13%, which isn’t too far off what Nordhaus uses.

“This chart A History of Interest Rates shows interest rates are the lowest in 5000 years in the developed countries:”

From what I can tell, those are nominal pre-tax interest rates with a risk premium, not real after-tax riskless interest rates.

“However, I understand discount rates are much higher in developing countries than in developed countries.”

Yes, there is a higher risk premium, and arguably a higher social rate of time preference due to lower life expectancy.

“The discount rates used by climate economists for estimating costs and benefits of CO2 abatement policies seem to me to be much lower (e.g. about half) the discount rates used by governments for making investment and regulatory decisions”

There are two main ways you can deal with uncertainty.
1. Fiddle with the discount rate.
2. Leave the discount rate alone and instead take into account the entire probability distribution of outcomes.

Expected social welfare maximization does the latter approach, thus you want to use riskless interest rates and ignore risk premiums.

Maybe I’ll give you an example of how the more traditional cost benefit analyses are merely approximations to expected social welfare maximization.

Suppose that I am a government and I want to decide whether or not to build a hospital. In this case the government wants to maximize:
Expected(Sum(t = 1 to infinity; exp(-rho*t)*Sum(i = 1 to N(t); U(C(i,t)))))

However, if the effect of the project on overall consumption is relatively small, then the above becomes:
Expected(Sum(t = 1 to infinity; exp(-(rho + eta*g)*t)*NB(t)))
where NB(t) is the net benefit for period t, rho is the social rate of time preference and eta is the coefficient of relative risk aversion. And by Ramsey’s equation, r = rho + eta*g, so one gets:
Expected(Sum(t = 1 to infinity; exp(-rt)*NB(t)))

Which is essentially expected cost-benefit analysis using a discount rate equal to the real riskless after-tax interest rate (assuming the net benefits are given in real terms, not nominal).

Now let’s say that the only uncertainty is the fact that this hospital has an x% per year chance of being destroyed (due to a natural disaster, war, being expropriated, etc.) then the above becomes:
Sum(t = 1 to infinity; exp(-xt)exp(-rt)*NB(t))
Sum(t = 1 to infinity; exp(-(r+x)t)*NB(t))

which is essentially traditional cost-benefit analysis where r + x is the real interest rate with a risk premium. And of course, if you are using nominal values rather than real values, then you would want to add inflation to this discount rate, so you would want to use a discount rate of r + x + i, where i is the inflation rate.

So overall, expected social welfare maximization using a discount rate of rho can be equivalent to performing traditional cost-benefit analysis using a discount rate of rho + eta*g + x + i.

Comment on Week in review – Paris edition by climatereason

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Now Obama has admitted that America is responsible for climate change it is about time the Americans on this blog made substantial reparations

With 97% accuracy I calculate that the US owes Britain $1.2 billion. Will JCH, Don or Jimd please take the necessary actions to send This sum to my private account where I will will arrange to forward it to worthy causes of my choosing.

It will be jostling for space with the millions I am expecting from a Nigerian and also a private investigator for the FBI/united nations who will be putting another 20 million into my account. Mind you, what with the money from big oil as well, I will be embarrassingly rich.

Tonyb

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Comment on Deep de-carbonisation of electricity grids by PA

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Ok, time for some discussion on how we got here:.
http://energyfromthorium.com/2006/04/22/a-brief-history-of-the-liquid-fluoride-reactor/
1. Nuclear is the best option for power generation.

2. The current reactors are basically a sub reactor converted to land use.

3. Water cooling isn’t a problem in sub reactor because if worst comes to worst you can flood the reactor with water that is frequently under more pressure than the reactor.

4. The liquid thorium reactor was designed as an aircraft reactor. The design couldn’t be based on water and couldn’t melt down.

5. The reason that alternative reactors weren’t developed more is that Hyman’s protégées hijacked the AEC and shutdown alternative approaches.

6. The only other alternative to water that got attention was the liquid metal fast breeder because it could generate weapons grade plutonium.

7. Howard Baker almost got a production breeder built at Clinch River.

8. The reason water is under scuba pressures in a reactor is to carry the heat at a high enough temperature to be efficient. A reactor has a volume of 40 cubic meters. The typical scuba tank is an aluminum 80 (11.25) or a European 12 (12 liters). A liter is 1/1000 of a cubic meter.

9. All the negative consequences of a reactor issue are due to high pressure and the dissociation (into hydrogen and oxygen) during an overheat which must be released – typically into the reactor building.

10. A barn size room of hydrogen and oxygen or a 40 meter scuba tank – either one spells bomb. Now some real tragedy accompanied by a mix of human stupidity is needed to create a problem. And what gets released are volatiles and not pieces of the core but it can still create some difficulties.

11. Given that we haven’t killed anyone with a civilian nuclear reactor radiation release the reactor designs and safety systems have mitigated the risk, the better approach is newer reactors such as the AP1000 that are designed to guarantee cooling.

11. Liquid metal or salt can transfer heat at room pressure. The worst case disaster is a mess in the reactor room. There is no high pressure steam or hydrogen explosion to blow things all over creation.

In the US we have a crazy level of regulation. It shouldn’t be applied to the AP1000 but is anyway. It doesn’t apply at all (mostly) to a liquid metal or salt reactor.

We need to put the AP1000 and other current generation reactors on a different regulatory track or they will continue to be expensive. Further the “lessons learned” from Fukushima are going to increase construction costs. We have gradually turned nuclear reactors of the BWR/PWR type into Rube Goldberg devices in the US. It isn’t clear how to fix the situation.

Room pressure reactors demand a different regulatory track and may be the only route to cheap nuclear power in the US.

The bottom line though is that Nuclear energy is the safest form of power.

1. More people have been killed by hydroelectric (mostly dam breaks)
2. More people have been killed by wind (mostly pollution, windmill noise harm is still being researched).
http://asiancorrespondent.com/2011/09/the-hidden-pollution-caused-by-solar-panels/
3. More people have been killed by solar (mostly pollution, such as silicon tetrachloride). However since it is in China there hasn’t been a lot of study.
http://asiancorrespondent.com/2011/05/green-deaths-the-forgotten-dangers-of-solar-panels/
There are also deaths from installation.
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/05/01/solar-panels-toxic-emissions/
and other issues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/02/world/asia/air-pollution-linked-to-1-2-million-deaths-in-china.html
Pollution in China (where the renewables are built) contributes to the death of 1.2 million Chinese a year.

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Comment on Week in review – Paris edition by David Wojick

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I find this street action particularly amusing (and very French):

“The real action on Sunday took place outside the venue, with an estimated 10,000 people forming a human chain leading to 22,000 shoes, representing those who would have demonstrated in support of an ambitious climate agreement had the terrorist attacks on Paris not happened. The array of shoes was said to include shoes from UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and Pope Francis. One observer hoped that the world leaders arriving in Paris on Monday would be inspired to start walking in those shoes.”
http://www.iisd.ca/vol12/enb12652e.html

The negotiating action will probably not start until Dec 10 or so. There is a standard pattern to these COPs.

Comment on Week in review – Paris edition by justinwonder

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Nothing will happen in Paris, but we will suffer from self-inflected wounds at home.


Comment on Deep de-carbonisation of electricity grids by Turbulent Eddie

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Capitalism is the solution to climate change</a>

Comment on Deep de-carbonisation of electricity grids by Turbulent Eddie

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<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/30/capitalism-is-the-solution-to-climate-change-commentary.html" rel="nofollow">Capitalism is the solution to climate change</a>

Comment on Deep de-carbonisation of electricity grids by David L. Hagen

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See the: <b><a href="http://www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com/en/index.html" rel="nofollow">BREAKTHROUGH ENERGY COALITION: The Principles</a>. </b> Investors: <a href="http://www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com/en/who.html" rel="nofollow">Who We Are</a> Gates' Post: <a href="http://www.gatesnotes.com/Energy/Investing-in-Energy-Innovation" rel="nofollow">A Big Win for Cheap, Clean Energy</a> Gates’ paper: <a href="/at/Energy%20Financing/Breakthrough%20Energy%20Coalition/Energy_Innovation_Nov_30_2015.pdf" rel="nofollow">Energy Innovation Why We Need It and How to Get It</a> Nov. 30, 2015. Atlantic's Interview of Gates: <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/11/we-need-an-energy-miracle/407881/" / rel="nofollow">We Need An Energy Miracle</a> The <a href="http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/" / rel="nofollow">Copenhagen Consensus</a> has been documenting how <a href="http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/research-topic/climate-change-energy" rel="nofollow">strategic research into energy </a>is the most cost effective long term investment to reach sustainable energy.

Comment on Week in review – Paris edition by Don Monfort

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You will have to get paid by the Obama drones, Tony. You know who they are. The rest of us don’t care about the quacking of that lame duck.

Comment on Decision making under uncertainty – maximize expected social welfare by nickels

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Von Mises would point out that the only utility function that makes any sense is that of price within a free market.

Comment on Decision making under uncertainty – maximize expected social welfare by popesclimatetheory

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Give the poor people affordable abundant electric energy from fossil fuel and then they can become more productive and afford to have AC so they can be comfortable like us. Then they can set their own thermostats. The alarmists want poor people to continue to live without or cease to live and they want us to change to live without. Many of the alarmists think that we should reduce the population of the world to below one billion. They do want genocide. Removing CO2 from the atmosphere can do that.

Those thoughts come from where the sun does not shine.

Comment on Decision making under uncertainty – maximize expected social welfare by popesclimatetheory

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The Vikings moved to Greenland when the temperature there was to their liking. They moved out when the temperature there became like it was in the previous, natural, cold period.

I think people have moved to Greenland again. Maybe more than during Viking time. After a few hundred years, it will get colder again. Now those people have fossil fuel and they will not need to move.

Oops, the alarmists are going to take away their fossil fuel, they may have to move.


Comment on Deep de-carbonisation of electricity grids by RiHo08

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Canman

I knew Helen Caldicott way way back when. She is unrepentant in the face of scientific evidence. 6 C world temperature rise from CO2. And “doctors don’t lie”. She is a Pediatrician, she would not be “delisted” as she is speaking about things she has read about as well as talking to her then husband, a radiologist who does know something about radiation to people although not radiation from nuclear power plants.

“Glowing boars in Germany” is indeed a bit fanciful.

Extremism in the pursuit of the Noble Cause everything ant-nuclear is not an offense.

Helen Caldicott has moved from nuclear weapon testing to nuclear power plants to nuclear medicine. It shows she is consistent, not inspiring so though.

Comment on Decision making under uncertainty – maximize expected social welfare by kenfritsch

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I would think this piece about expected social welfare maximization could very easily be confused with someone attempting to make a parody of the socialist calculation pipe dream with references to all these individual preferences being too many and too complex to model and therefore we will simplify. The best temperature for all at 13.9 degrees C must have been thrown in for added comic relief. A free market integrates all these individual decisions without needing a simplified algorithm with many assumptions and does it without the coercion required for government enforced policies.

I can see the final version of this model in the hands of the politicians whereby the politicians have added a weighted part that calculates the ruling parties expected chances for re-election given the acceptance or rejection of the model results. The weight is proportionately 51%.

Comment on Deep de-carbonisation of electricity grids by knutesea

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A grand inflation of sorts Jacques. There is a thinkspeak among the elite that DEFLATION is the real worry in the world’s economies. There is always another fiat tender just around the corner to take the place of the current one.

If all things cost more money because of more expensive energy then those costs get passed on and on and on.

Does anyone really ever pay “more” if we all pass it on to the next consumer?

Thinking out loud because understanding the long view of a faux concept that arbitrarily inflates the value of something can’t end well in my mind, but I have been wrong before and am interested in bigger thoughts of others.

Comment on Week in review – Paris edition by climatereason

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Don

On a more serious note, by admitting culpability surely Obama is leaving America wide open to massive claims even less legitimate than mine?

Tonyb

Comment on Deep de-carbonisation of electricity grids by Joseph

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Markets can also drive efficiency and technological innovation, but only when there is enough demand and right now renewable energy sources are a small share of the mix. So I think we need to so something to increase demand to increase our chances of reducing emissions.

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