Are there transmission costs, can energy be delivered to these plants as easily as it can be supplied from?
Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by aaron
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Comment on Week in review – Paris edition by Stanton Brown
agreed
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by Don Monfort
You are being a little harsh, Peter. He doesn’t need to withdraw the post. A simple “What TF was I thinking?” will do.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by justinwonder
Good idea – those computers generate a lot of waste heat running climate models.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by kim
Remember, the breakthrough will come from some wild idea. Kudos to this Swan for thinking, kudos for responding in comments, and yet more kudos for not getting abusive.
I’ll have to quit if discussions continue this civilly.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by rhhardin
You can do that. Use a heat pump. Remember to capture the waste heat from the compressor (why they put home heat pump compressors outdoors is a mystery).
All the electric powergoes into heat. Just get use of it first.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by aaron
Like cash for clunkers, but without destroying productive capital.
Unbelievable that we destroyed engines that we could have simply sold overseas.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by Knute
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“It’s possible, just has a very large price tag.”
Indeed. The investment money (top tier and investment houses) seems addicted to the certainty of new power. My business will pass the cost onto my customers. My customers will want higher salaries to pay for the higher priced goods. More dollars will have to be printed. Definitely inflationary.
What happens if a country such as China/Russia say no thank you, we will burn coal and gas ? Their cost of fucntioning is less than the other yahoos who saddle themselves with expensive energy. Do they become country non grata ? Sanctions ? War ?
What if they go along to get along.
Is the net result a giant wave of international inflation ?
:::: trying to look beyond the craziness to brass tacks … it will all seem so silly once the natural patterns of climate kick us back to cold ::::
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by Peter Lang
-1=e^iπ
“Peter you obviously do not believe that a sustainable energy future based upon renewables is possible.”
It’s possible, just has a very large price tag.
I disagree. It’s not possible for many reasons. But here’s one for starters:
http://bravenewclimate.com/2014/08/22/catch-22-of-energy-storage/
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by -1=e^iπ
“I disagree. It’s not possible for many reasons. But here’s one for starters:”
Nonsense. Humans lived with low CO2 footprints for millennia. All we need to do is live in poverty and reduce life expectancy back to 30. A renewable future is very possible.
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Comment on Week in review – Paris edition by ristvan
Yes, there is an overall carrying capacity limit. Given by the natural limits on arable land and the ag sciences/techniques behind crop intensification (usable food calories per unit arable land). By analogy, trees do not grow to the sky.
Depending on average caloric intake (assume a bit less than now to eliminate western obesity) and meat protein (assume about the same, but differently distributed, scewed toward more efficient caloric conversion of farmed fish and poultry) the math works out to something between 9.1 and 9.3 billion people max Earth carrying capacity. That means about 2050 per UNEP. A long slog calculation requiring crop by crop analyses including crop/ dietary habit substitutions where climate feasible, and acceptance of all the future GMO that science can muster. Chapter 3 of Gaia’s Limits.
Is the most optimistic case. Borlaug’s green revolution (e.g. wheat dwarfing, rust resistance) can happen only once, not twice. The only major crop with intensification continuing to match population globally is GMO maize (corn). And this still assumes science will somehow keep ahead of the re-emergence of rust fungus, Bt resistant insects, and glyphosate resistant weeds. All three have already evolved in places around the world. UG 99 is a huge problem. CIMMYT was able to do a crash breeding program to develop UG99 resistant wheat strains in just 10 years, before UG99 reached the Punjab. The problem is those cultivars are not yet adapted to maximize yields in all the various wheat regional climates, just those of central and northeastern Africa (Uganda, Kenya, Somalia) where UG99 first emerged .
And the UN FAO 40 page policy document on this is basically ‘hope and pray’, while 40000 people are wasting time in Paris on a UNFCCC illusion.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by Peter Lang
All we need to do is live in poverty and reduce life expectancy back to 30. A renewable future is very possible.
True. PLUS reduce global population by 90%
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by ristvan
DHR. And with $1.6 billion in loan guarantees and subsidies, selling electricity at $0.16/kwh wholesale when the local blended retail rate is $0.11. Only reason $2 billion was wasted is the state was stupid enough to mandate that 15% of its generation must be renewable by 2020.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by knutesea
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Odds are
1. Hillary gets elected and the US shuts down more and more fossil power.
2. Solar and winds pop up everywhere.
3. The consumer pays 25 to 50% more.
4. The Appalachian coal country secures massive welfare programs.
5. Those that live in CO2 nonattainment industrial zones get class actions checks.
6. Massive inflation kicks in.
7. The rest of the developed world drinks the koolaid.
So what happens if the IPCC predictors continue to be wrong and instead it gets crazy cold ? How fast can the developed countries turn around and start burning fossils again ?
What is the lag time between “oh hell we were wrong” and back to fossils again ??
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Comment on Deep de-carbonisation of electricity grids by Peter Lang
Roger Sowell,
As usual, this nuclear -related post by Lang uses wrong data and comes to wrong conclusions.
The graph shown as “From ‘Appendix VI: Energy learning curves’, p24:” shows the total investment cost for a nuclear power plant in 1999 as approximately Euro 3,200 per kW.
You are correct that the caption under the chart is wrong. It should have said simply “capital cost” or the original articles and all that quoted should have said that the costs are overnight capital costs as is common for such comparisons, e.g. EIA: https://www.eia.gov/analysis/studies/powerplants/capitalcost/ . .
The chart and caption is attributed to: “Source: European Commission, Silvana Mima, POLES model, UPMF Grenoble” It was presented at: ” 2003 for the European Commission’s 2030 World Energy, Technology and Climate Outlook report“. If you want to argue about how they did their comparative analysis, take it up with them.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by -1=e^iπ
“So what happens if the IPCC predictors continue to be wrong and instead it gets crazy cold ? How fast can the developed countries turn around and start burning fossils again ?
What is the lag time between “oh hell we were wrong” and back to fossils again ??”
Well, to quote Max Plank:
“A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”
Given that most young people in developed countries are arguably being fed a lot of propaganda, we might have to wait for millennials to die out, or at least be outnumbered by younger generations. So maybe the late part of this century might see a return.
Until then, the religious conviction of the true believers in climate change being the end of the world will remain strong.
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by beththeserf
‘Those whom we see yonder with those immense
extended arms.’ replied Don Quixote. ‘ Some of that
detested race have arms that reach two leagues
across the land.’arms
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Comment on Can Coal-Fired Plants be Re-Powered Today with Stored Energy from Wind and Solar? by Don Monfort
CNN poll has Trump solid lead in Iowa:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-iowa-poll/index.html
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Comment on Week in review – science and technology edition by Science or Fiction
Will we ever see you being skeptical to the proponents of your pet theory in the same manner you are being skeptical to the opponents of your pet theory?
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Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma? by Gary Dalton
No worry about all this as UN NWO have a plan B just load up thousands of air tankers with aluminium , barium, strodium 90 and cover the planet. Go for a 85 percent death rate the rest will soon fall in line. I just traveled 12,000 miles and thats all I see above me.
check http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org
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