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Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by catweazle666


Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by popesclimatetheory

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I was shocked that Happer basically said that more CO2 is good.

I am shocked that there is anyone who does not already know that CO2 is required for green things to grow. CO2 is added in greenhouses and even in some open fields because this is very well known.

Reduce CO2 and you will make green things not grow as good and everything that depends on green things will fare worse.

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by Eli Rabett

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Right, just like Bjorn Lomborg was a member of Greenpeace.

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by cerescokid

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Mosher, some people just shake when they get older. I shake like crazy standing over a 3 foot putt.

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by Eli Rabett

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Wags, do you have a clue about which ethnic group Solzhenitsyn was writing about not being Russians?

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by cap6097

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If your come away not impressed by Steyn, it says more about you than him..

Comment on German Energiewende – Modern Miracle or Major Misstep by Canman

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In 2014 Germany only got 15% of its electricity from renewables! New video by Lomborg:

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by catweazle666

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smokinfrog: “Jim, Judith is pro-AGW. Your comment makes no sense.”

Do they ever?

If Judith doesn’t believe the oceans are going to boil and Mt. Everest isn’t going to be submerged by the rising oceans, she isn’t an ardent enough believer for Jimbo to take her seriously.


Comment on Bill Gail: Don’t let climate debate hinder the economy by catweazle666

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Izen: “While chaos limits accuracy, faster processing enables the reduction in uncertainty”

No it doesn’t.

It just means the uncertainty can be reached quicker.

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by jim2

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Eli – your link is really old. Do you have something within the last decade or better?

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by Turbulent Eddie

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So Christy is sitting there and Cruz is going on and on about how much better UAH is, etc AND NO ONE ASKED CHRISTY MUCH ABOUT IT INCLUDING CRUZ. Titley at least twice explained the problems with UAH and RSS AND CHRISTY SAT THERE AND SAID NOTHING

Sounds like Titley would have been familiar with how well RAOB and MSU correlate and how well UAH MSU correlates with co-located, consistent sonde data. And how the difference between modelled and either RAOB or MSU is greater than the difference between observed data sets. And also how RSS, Fu-RSS, and Fu-UAH are all generally consistent with UAH.

But ideologues suffering confirmation bias tend to exclude all but that which supports their preconceived ideas.

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by Pat Cassen

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Joel Williams - <em>''...how much of the current corals are dying because of man-made pollution dumping, diving, etc as opposed to...“global climate change”</em> Good question. Here is what one <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lauren_Toth/publication/273120274_Climatic_and_biotic_thresholds_of_coral-reef_shutdown/links/5512aedb0cf270fd7e332b19.pdf" rel="nofollow">study</a> (co-authored by Kim Cobb, Dr. Curry's colleague at Georgia Tech) says: "Climate change is now the leading cause of coral-reef degradation and is altering the adaptive landscape of coral populations." See also what the <a href="http://www.icriforum.org/about-coral-reefs/status-and-threat-coral-reefs" rel="nofollow">International Coral Reef Intitiative</a> says: "Overfishing, pollution and coastal development top the list of chronic stressors." But also: "The impacts from coral bleaching are becoming global in scale, and are increasing in frequency and intensity. Mass coral bleaching generally happens when temperatures around coral reefs exceed 1oC above an area's historical norm for four or more weeks...If temperatures climb to more than 2o C for similar or longer periods, coral mortalities following bleaching increase."

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by Turbulent Eddie

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Don’t you know, Jim D, that deforestation may be in decline.
Deforestation in the developing world, Reforestation in the developed world?

Argues for increased development to save/regrow the forests.

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by theshredder2015

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Of course you will get 97% if your sample is peer reviewed, published abstracts. That is what the government is funding. That number has no validity, nor does the study that produced it.

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by climatereason

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I am 1 hour and 40 in and can’t watch any more for the time being. What an obnoxious creature that Markey is. Who is he? He certainly had a very high opinion of himself didn’t he? Do people seriously vote him into a seat?

I liked Titley quite a lot but couldn’t understand why he seemed to be the ‘go to’ guy as I didn’t think he had as much technical knowledge of climate as the three sceptical scientists on the panel.

Didn’t think much of Happer. Quite a weak public speaker. Christy was much better than I had been led to believe. Warmists seem to imply he is but one step away from his dotage but that was far from the case. Well done to Judith for trying to respond during Markey’s tirade..

The undoubted star of the show was Steyn. I have criticised him here before and I know Brandon has many issues with his accuracy, but I thought he gave a good performance and stood up to the bullying of Markey and made some very good points.

I do wish someone would put over the historic variations in climate over the last 1000 years much more strongly, which would put modern warming in much better perspective.

But still, my questions remains, why is the less technically proficient-but very pleasant- Titley, the go to guy? Or do things change in the remainder of the hearing?

tonyb


Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by climatereason

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greg

Sometimes the changes are very entertaining. The ipad often invents much better Names for denizens than the ones they themselves have chosen.

tonyb

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by jim2

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by Turbulent Eddie

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Unfortunately, some process occurs and attracts people to this supportive data, discarding additional factors, and contrary information.

Here is a map of coral diversity:

Notice how corals are more diverse in areas with highest annual temperatures:

This struck me, particularly wrt the Red Sea, which gets quite warm.
Indeed, the Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sea, reads:

“A recent underwater expedition to the Red Sea offshore from Sudan and Eritrea[18] found surface water temperatures 28 °C in winter and up to 34 °C in the summer, but despite that extreme heat the coral was healthy with much fish life with very little sign of coral bleaching”

Laboratory experiments show coral bleaching with increased temperature, but the Red Sea example, the paleo record, the variety of corals and alga, the other factors with bleaching, lack of a global coral biomas measurment and many other factors mean we should keep our panties on.

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by scotts4sf

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Titley is a loyal navy officer, retired and dependent on gov grants and Navy paychecks. Retired Navy officers still under absolute control of Navy and DOD for stepping out of political masters Meme. He was called upon by the democrats only. So with the funds to his Penn State sinecure and obligations to the military, he responds to the gov desires more than a free speaker and independent Mark Steyn. Simply a sailor he is not. A PhD and admiral, he is a complex mixture of honesty and dissembling to construct a plausible case for his political masters.
You notice, no outright lies, but implied slander by mentioning four modifications of the satellite record and yet he skipped the modifications of the much simpler thermometer readings from the surface record. One can accept some adjustments to satellite algorythems more readily than changes to tables of manually recorded temperature readings.

Christy et al provide descriptions of what they changed due to orbital adjustments or overlaps as opposed to tracking surface temps and krigging between thousand mile apart un measured projected temps.

very interesting though. Thanks Dr Curry for you calm and measured testimony.
Scott

Comment on Senate Hearing: Data or Dogma by foias

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Goddard’s plot seems to be headed “USHCN Average Temperature of all Stations” (from your post), in which case it is presumably exactly what it claims to be. Doubtless a very poor estimate for a well formulated concept of US mean surface temperature. But that is a quite separate metric. One which the Karl saga highlights as being near impossible to estimate satisfactorily in a global context when the data is so diverse and variable. Sen Cruz may, just may, be enjoying that important political skill of misdirection.

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