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Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Turbulent Eddie

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TE, you are just doubling down on all the ideologies rather than disagreeing
Perhaps they’re not ideologies but facts you’re citing.

the debate needs to be on the science and the findings
Great ( I was just responding to the other stuff you raised ).

What scientific basis do you have for your anxiety?

Global average temperature is rising, but rising at a rate less than the low end projections ( science ).

The rate of radiative forcing increase, according to theory, is the cause of warming, so the decline in the rate of radiative forcing since its peak in 1989 should mean a decline from the already less than low end projections going forward ( science, or at least scientific theory ).

Temperatures may be high but they were higher still in the Holocene Climatic Optimum ( according to proxies ) but humans and ecosystems appear to have thrived through this period. Temperatures were even higher during the Eemian – and humans and ecosystems persisted. Humans evolutionary roots are from Africa, after all.

Humans do seem to die more during the cold season and die less during the warm season ( science ).

Increased CO2 does enhance plant growth, enhance crop yield, and reduce water use. ( science )

Increased CO2 does appear to increase growth of phytoplankton in the oceans, plankton being the base of the oceanic food chain. ( science )

Global temperature is calculable, but it’s not a term in any of the equations of motion and so far as I know, not a term in any atmospheric calculation ( science ).

NOAA believes that warming will be most where it’s cold and least where it’s warm meaning less intense climate ( science ).

There’s basis for that since global warming is supposed to increase absolute levels of water vapor. That process means reduced sensible heat transfer is necessary to reverse imbalances ( science ).

So, what again were you so worried about?


Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by mwgrant

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Models may be good tools to help analyze and understand aspects of our climate system, but they should not be mistaken for any type of meaningful representation of the overall climate system, and are completely inadequate for making any policy.

I have a difficult time envisioning climate policy decisions that do not entail some use of models. However, models do not make policy–they inform policy. Of course you may protest that here you are writing about GCMs informing policy. So eliminating GCMs what (types of) models would you perhaps use? Or would you shelf the policy decision at this time–clearly a decision for no action?

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Science or Fiction

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Thanks Judith, you are as tough and brilliant as highly-compressed carbon. :)

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by matthewrmarler

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Jim D: 1. any attempt to move away from fossil fuels will collapse the global economy or at least the poor will suffer
2. scientists are only in it for the funding, groupthink, pressure, etc., not on the merits of the evidence itself
3. leftists just want a world government and use this as a way to gain power for the UN

Again no specific quotes from any specific people.

But what is “ideological” about the claim (1) that electrification will be slower for the poorer people if coal and gas fired power plants are prohibited? Or the claim that replacing nuclear power plants with solar and wind will produce higher electricity prices (slowing other development)? Those are empirical questions about which much data are available for public discussion.

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by douglasproctor

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Dr. Curry,

I watched the whole proceedings carefully. It is sad that it took Steyn, doing what I would call a very Canadian attempt at civility and refusal to stand by while another was villified by a powerful person, to demand you have the ability to respond.

Markey had not read your written submission. He didn’t care – in fact, he probably preferred not to have done so. Plausible deniability means later he can say his staff didn’t provide it to him in time (we’ll fire somebody for that!).

The difference between senior American political power and that of authoritarian regimes elsewhere in the world appears to be the understanding that power over bureaucratic and regulatory actions is far, far more efficient and effective than simply threatening someone’s life. Ruin them financially, make them dance in the judicial streets and put them in social disrepute at the level of the President. They are no longer a concern.

The Cruz non-debate was an eye-opening incident. I don’t know how warmists would see it – perhaps their heroes slaying the dragons. But I see it as a terrible indictment of our supposed democratic, one-right-for-all, way of life.

By the by, my experience in life tells me that when one his foolish, the response of those in the know is bafflement or amusement. When one is right but not following the script, the response of those in the know is anger – they recognize that their position and power are threatened and they have no good defense. What I saw from the Democrats with you et al was anger and reflective attack. They ARE threatened by what you both say and stand for: the ability and duty of the ordinary person to determine what is “really” going on and make decisions on that basis.

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by mwgrant

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<i>Models are validated, and they can fail validation. The GCMs fail validation badly. You can parse this reality with whatever language you like.</i> Fact is models require both verification and validation. Ideally QA requires determination of metrics for V&V prior to model development. So who is parsing? What are you objecting to?

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by beththeserf

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Cook, Nuccitelli and al, that 97% connsensuss.

‘We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus
on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-
reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate
abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics ‘global
climate change’ or ‘global warming’. We find that 66.4%
of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6%
endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were
uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among
abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1%
endorsed the consensus position that humans are
causing global warming.

That’s 97.1% of 32.6%, not 97% of 100%. Tsk, mister Cook.

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Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Ceist Alles

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I’d be scared to have US President who uses faked graphs from disreputable bloggers like “Steve Goddard” and completely ignores all the scientific evidence from reputable science sources. Imagine if he used a lay person blogger’s misinformed uneducated personal opinions when it came to making military decisions?

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by scotts4sf

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Really an insightful statement. they should just publish the hourly recorded temperatures and average them. Then once those are trended the adjusters can propose all the changes they desire. At some point the data will catch up. Dr Titley claimed satellites have been changed 4 times as opposed to almost continuous changes to historical measured thermometer readings. He did not mention that.

The historical temperatures are so changeable not one or only the low information voter believes NOAA, NASA or BEST.

Scott
Scott

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by dougbadgero

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Mosher, the person I was replying to.

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Arch Stanton

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Bill Kristol, had the dream instead. Here you are.

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Don Monfort

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OK, I will start counting. Team Clinton knows all. Like they did the last time.

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Jim D

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MM, I don’t have to quote JC and her Denizens. You read them too, or maybe you ignore them to only read my stuff, which I would admit is a better use of your time.

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Don Monfort

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But you don’t know what I am talking about.


Comment on German Energiewende – Modern Miracle or Major Misstep by Peter Davies

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OK Peter, we’ll examine a couple of your points in detail then use the EIA LCOE figures which you claimed above were more authoritative than Lazards v9,0.

Firstly the anti-correlation between European wind and solar. As long as the anti-correlation is reasonable it doesn’t have to be perfect. Well before 2030 personal transport is going to move to battery electric vehicles, and at least in Europe (because of the EU) there are likely to be standards for how the grid can communicate with EV’s to tell individual vehicles when to charge. For a maximum of the few hours when the sun is shining brightly (and the wind blowing), EV charging can be instructed to ramp up to absorb any excess and effectively change an imperfect anti-correlation between wind and solar into a near-perfect one.

Here is the chart from the Frauenhofer institute demonstrating a decent anti-correlation between German wind and solar generation :

With the same nameplate capacity of wind and solar generation (which I am suggesting) which I believe to be 36 GW of each, you almost never hit 35GW for the combined total. In fact most of the time the total does not exceed 25GW. Bear in mind there are a lot of points smack on the x axis because there is zero solar generation at night, but on average more than 50% of the wind generation takes place at night.

In short the anti-correlation is pretty good, even before EV charging is used to load shift to ensure that it doesn’t matter that it is not perfect.

EIA figures are here – https://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/electricity_generation.cfm .

For onshore wind and solar PV give CFs of 36% and 25%. So by providing nameplate capacity equal to the average demand over a year, we expect to save 61% of fuel on the CCGT generation which you believe has to be configured to match peak demand.

The fuel and other variable costs for Advanced combined cycle (best CCGT) without CCS are $53.6 / MWh out of a total LCOE of $72.6 / MWh, or 76% of the LCOE when CCGT runs at a CF of 85%.

So as soon as the LCOE cost of onshore wind and solar PV get below $53.6 / MWh then it will be cheaper to install up to the average demand nameplate capacity above of each. And you get up to 61 percent carbon abatement (compared with CCGT CO2 emissions) for nothing. Think of the grid you have left as completely powered by CCGT, but wind and solar installed alongside just save fuel costs which pays for their capital costs.

When will solar PV LCOE get below $53.6 / MWh? Well Lazards V9.0 says it is there already in a number of locations. The IEA (another of your favoured sources) believes the solar PV LCOE it will be around $15 / MWh or better by 2050. My guess is it will be below $53.6 / MWh somewhere between 2020 and 2025.

How about onshore wind LCOE below $53.6 / MWh? Again, Lazards V9.0 says it is there already in a number of locations. EIA shows a
2020 range by location of 65.6 to 81.6, so some locations are highly likely to get below $53.5 / MWh by 2025. I would go with that and guess that the majority of new onshore wind locations will be below %53.5 / MWh by 2030.

So getting the first 60% of CO2 emission out of a grid powered entirely by CCGT is relatively straightforward using EIA figures, and does not appear to cost anything by 2025 or 2030.

Getting the remaining 40% of CO2 emissions out of electricity generation by a cost-efficient method is a little more complex and might cost something, but we can only really get down to that if you accept this first step.

So you have what you said you wanted – “authoritative” EIA figures for LCOE and capacity factor for onshore wind and solar PV, plus the information as to why perfect anticorrelation between the two is not necessary. And it shows abatement of up to 60% of carbon costs nothing by 2030.

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Arch Stanton

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Don Monfort

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You are correct, Tyler. But the “real” conservatives fervently want Cruz. Cruz has a shot. But not much. The “real” conservatives will be disappointed, but will support The Donald against Hillarity. If they don’t, they will be wandering in the wilderness, forever.

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by nickels

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FDR was a disaster.
If one thinks spending there way out of a depression is smart, try it at home. Same result:bankruptcy.

“Yet after all this, the grand promise of an end to the suffering was never fulfilled. As the state sector drained the private sector, controlling it in alarming detail, the economy continued to wallow in depression. The combined impact of Herbert Hoover’s and Roosevelt’s interventions meant that the market was never allowed to correct itself. Far from having gotten us out of the Depression, FDR prolonged and deepened it, and brought unnecessary suffering to millions.”

https://mises.org/library/how-fdr-made-depression-worse

Comment on Reactions on the Senate hearing by Don Monfort

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Can you imagine The Donald holding a hearing , his team doesn’t show up and the room is empty?

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