Pekka Pirilä – a very clear and useful contribution. The only thing I would add is that as you say, all things being equal, the rise in ocean temperature can be expected to produce a small rise in CO2 before Henry’s law puts a halt to it. However all things are not equal as anthropogenic emissions have increased atmospheric CO2 levels, which means that Henry’s law had already been put into action increasing the solubility of CO2 in the oceans, so at no point did the oceans become a net source of CO2 into the atmosphere. So in fact the oceans have not increased the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, they have consistently been acting to decrease it.
Comment on Science is not about certainty by gavincawley
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Comment on Science is not about certainty by gavincawley
Edim ENSO is an ocean circulation, not a temperature index. It just happens that this ocean circulation affects temperature AND CO2. However the effect it has on CO2 is not directly because of the temperature change. In El Nino years the changes in climate on land cause a reduction in plant growth (IIRC mostly due to changes in precipitation rather than temperature) and an increase in plant and soil respiration, so the land-based emissions increase. However emissions from the ocean fall, because the upwelling of carbon rich cold water stops. In La Nina years the opposite occurs. Note that the behaviour of the ocean and land act in opposite directions and it is the effect of the land based changes that dominates (otherwise the correlation would have the opposite sign), and that has more to do with rainfall than temperature.
So you may think of ENSO as being just another temperature index, but that is because you haven’t done your homework and you are unable to accept evidence that runs counter to your intuition. Sadly this is a great impediment to learning anything, so if you want to make progress, you need to gain some self-skepticsim.
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Comment on Gamesmanship by Peter317
Webby, you have different processes than normal driving temperatures during a heatwave.
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Comment on Science is not about certainty by Edim
Gavin, ENSO is basically a SST temperature index for the tropical eastern pacific ocean.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/regsatprod/enso/enso34/sst_ts.php
Fundamentally, there’s no difference between ENSO indices and other temperature indices. They all oscillate, more or less. It’s you who has difficulty accepting evidence that runs counter to AGW.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by manacker
Girma
Good news, indeed!
(That is if the political hacks that act as IPCC “editors” don’t censor out these findings before AR5 goes to print.)
Max
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by manacker
Max_OK
A tip for you:
Do a discounted cash flow on the US Social Security system taking an “average” worker who worked from age 22 or so to age 65, paying in the maximum contribution and then drawing a full retirement benefit for 15 years or so until passing away at the current US life expectancy age of around 80.
Tell me what discount rate you come up with.
Max
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by Jim D
Do you believe in initialized decadal projections now? This would be quite an act of faith considering their previous record as shown in JC’s own recent paper. We have had many discussions on this site about these short-term forecasts that are subject to random internal variability more than the long-term projections. Let’s first see what the error bars are. I am quite sure they will include 0.2 degrees per decade as a distinct possibility.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by manacker
Max_OK
Germany’s positive balance of payments with China has nothing to do with its carbon tax, and the USA negative balance of payments with China has nothing to do with the fact that the USA does not have a carbon tax.
Germany is selling a lot of technology to China. Germany also makes and exports products of excellent quality, which affluent Chinese want to purchase, even if they are much more expensive than locally produced copies.
Max
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Comment on Gamesmanship by Wankothon
Let's see if webcites will roll over to one of fraudster O'Sluttivan's Formal Suck Down Notices.
I present to you the reincarnations of Slaying the Greenhouse Dragon Parts I,II, and III
Have plenty of popcorn handy.
<a>Slaying a greenhouse dragon</a>
<a>Slaying a greenhouse dragon. Part II</a>
<a>Slaying a greenhouse dragon. Part III: discussion</a>
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by lolwot
“So the skeptics interpretation is correct”
Ah so skeptics are one big group now and Girma speaks for them all.
Interesting.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by manacker
steven mosher
Along the way Hansen morphed from being a climate scientist to becoming a CAGW activist.
A scientist should remain objective and always open to new ideas or challenges to the prevailing paradigm.
An activist will do anything to support his cause and paradigm.
Max
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by P.E.
Jeebers, Johnny. You’re doing reruns from PJ now?
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by jim2
Fan of More BS – Watt’s has made the article stay at the top of his site. How in the world do you take that as “[snip]‘ing all WUWTreferences to Hansen’s letter??” The letter is in the comments. I think you are the comedic afterthought, actually.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by A fan of *MORE* discourse
Monckton? Yikes. People have figured out that <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br9imjm1kvk" rel="nofollow">Monckton comes off as couple of aces short of a pat hand,</a>
The skeptical community seriously needs to find a new spokesman … some personage who projects more <i>gravitas</i>.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by Bill
Fail. Somalia is the opposite of libertarianism which is based on limited gov’t with full respect for Bill of Rights and Rule of Law. Somalia used to be a socialist state before the civil war and is now run by warlords. For a start, see wikipedia for Somalia and libertarianism and also look up classical liberalism while you’re at it. if you don’t understand the terms you are using, you will always end up looking stupid. Hong Kong before the chinese took over would be a better example.
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Comment on Gamesmanship by Wankothon
Sorry about the malformed hrefs...
<a>Slaying a greenhouse dragon"</a>
<a>Slaying a greenhouse dragon. Part II"</a>
<a>Slaying a greenhouse dragon. Part III: discussion"</a>
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by A fan of *MORE* discourse
Apologies for omitting the newly formed <a href="http://ldsearthstewardship.org/about/" rel="nofollow"><i>LDS Earth Stewardship</i></a> … this looks like the beginning of a broad renewal in science-religion partnerships … a partnership that is purely good news for 21st century conservatism.
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Comment on Gamesmanship by Wankothon
bloody hell I'd like a preview function...
<a href="http://webcitation.org/63VqPahCe" rel="nofollow">Slaying a greenhouse dragon</a>
<a href="http://webcitation.org/5wIpYU1GS" rel="nofollow">Slaying a greenhouse dragon. Part II</a>
<a href="http://webcitation.org/5wIpZiixX" rel="nofollow">Slaying a greenhouse dragon. Part III: discussion</a>
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Comment on Gamesmanship by Wagathon
I can always spot’m…
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by hunter
Max_OK,
You are starting to let that mask slip a bit.
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