1. There was no NDA
2. We did exactly what we promised to do.
3. Anthony was pissed over other matters..perhaps I should pull out some emails…..
Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Steven Mosher
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Jim D
You mean like the Arctic Ocean? Have you heard of polar amplification?
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Steven Mosher
remeber what I wrote about the SAME PAPER, and the SAME DATA in 2012
“But Hu.
1. Anthony has put it out for blog review and cited muller as a precedent for this practice. that practice included providing blog reviewers with data.
2. Anthony brought Steve on board at the last minute even though hes been working on this paper for a year. Steve has a practice as a reviewer of asking for data. Since we bloggers are asked to review this, we would like the data.
3. if, they want to release the data with limitations, that is fine to. I will sign a NDA to not retransmit the data, and to not publish any results in a journal.
4. You have to consider the possibiity than Anthony and Steve could now stall for as long as they like, never release the data and many people would consider this published paper to be an accepted fact.
Steve: Mosh, calm down. this is being dealt with.”
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How many times, including today, have people considered this to be a published fact.
Hint. I think you will find something in micro site. BUT
Hint 2: They use a method that ross mckittrick has roundly criticized.
go figure.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by JCH
Dynamical excitation of the tropical Pacific Ocean and ENSO variability by Little Ice Age cooling
BSTRACT
Tropical Pacific Ocean dynamics during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA) and Little Ice Age (LIA) are poorly characterized due to lack of evidence from the eastern equatorial Pacific. We reconstructed sea surface temperature, El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) activity, and the tropical Pacific zonal gradient for the past millennium from Galápagos ocean sediments. We document a “Mid-Millennium Shift” (MMS) in ocean-atmosphere circulation ~1500-1650 CE, from a state with strong zonal gradient and dampened ENSO to one with weak gradient and amplified ENSO. The MMS coincided with deepest LIA cooling and was likely caused by southward shift of the Intertropical Convergence Zone. Peak MCA (900-1150 CE) was a warm period in the eastern Pacific, contradicting the paradigm of a persistent La Niña pattern. …
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Don Monfort
Pull out the emails, Steven. Do you got the ones from 2012? That seems to be the key year. If you got enough emails, I bet Tony will relent and give you the data. If that’s really what this is all about.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by jim2
Much of the siting data was collected by volunteers who weren’t paid for the service – other than to put yet another nail into the warmist coffin.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Joel Williams
JCH, a ref for this “BSTRACT”?
Also, how do you propose the 120,000y cycle occurs and when is the deep freeze likely to start?
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by JCH
<a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/350/6267/1537.abstract" rel="nofollow">here</a>
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Joel Williams
ITSNOTCO2,
my post a little below was meant to be here
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by GaryM
Y’all are being too hard on Mosher. He is an integral part of BEST. BEST’s sole function was to pre-empt Anthony Watt’s surface stations project to debunk UHI and station sitings in general as even a factor in the mythical “Global Average Temperature”.
Mueller succeeded in pre-empting Watts in the only arena that matters to warmists like he and Mosher – the political/media arena. That is what BEST is all about, no matter what they say.
That is why Mueller reneged on his promise to Watts to keep the data Watts shared with him private. That is why Mueller ran to the press as soon as he could with his take on Watt’s data.
What more do you expect from Mueller’s mini-me Steve Mosher? He has been carrying on for years about the sacrosanct purity of the “Global Average Temperature” product produced by BEST. It doesn’t matter which stations you pick, or what you do to the data. BEST always comes up with the same answer as far as trend. and is proud of that fact.
If, however, properly stationed sites show a significantly lower warming trend than the remainder, everything Mosher has been proclaiming as holy writ for the last several years is garbage.
It doesn’t matter that there is no such thing as “Global Average Temperature”. It doesn’t matter that neither BEST, nor NOAA, nor Anthony Watts for that matter, can come up with a GAT accurate to within a tenth of a degree.
What matters is the press releases. Mueller understood that, which is why he conned Watt’s data out of him. Mosher understands that, which is why he wants Watts’ date NOW NOW NOW.
BEST and Mosher don’t need to publish Watts’ data, or release it, or anything of the kind. What they need is a competing press release, and they need it now.
Mueller has no chance of getting it. So Mosher is trying to trade on the former good will he used to have with the skeptical community, back when he pretended (more convincingly) to be a luke warmer.
If Watts gives Mosher his data, any part of it, Mosher will come out within a week or so with an explanation of why Watt’s conclusions are absolute nonsense. The publicity is all that matters.
If this were about science, time wouldn’t matter. This is about politics,. so time is everything.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Joel Williams
Thanks.
Nothing about the 120,000y cycle? Surely, the last 3 such cycles would indicate that one is “eminent“. So, you must have the reason’s why and a good idea when the global temp will drop.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Mark Silbert
GaryM, love you man! You nailed it.
Muller got his titty in the ringer with his Berkley/APS Physics buddies when he criticized the Mann hockey stick in his on line video. He has been trying to dig his sorry butt out of the ditch since then and Mosher is his attack dog.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by JCH
Joel – you graphic mentions MWP and LIA, which is what the paper I linked is about. When the Eastern Pacific chills, the GMST chills. Well, it used to be that way. Until 1985, Then natural variation found the ACO2 knob was twisted hard to the right, and it had no answer… man = 100% plus.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Don Monfort
Do you need any help writing the screenplay, Gary. The plot is a little far-fetched, but it has possibilities. Jack Warden could play Mueller, if he is still alive. Strother Martin looks just like Mosher, but I am pretty sure he is gone to that silver screen in the sky. Anyway, have your people call my people.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Joel Williams
So, JCH, per your implicit pronouncement above, there will be no more deep freezes? Man has found the knob that will allow the earth to stay above the LIA cool level, forever. I doubt it, as I believe cosmic factors are BIGGER than man and his doings and depositing 125m of sea water up on the poles and land as ice was NOT a trivial matter, but at least I know where you stand regarding what are the controlling factors – only the pacific ocean and CO2 matter, nothing else – with man being 100% per your expressed opinion in control of all that will happen. Again, I doubt man has that much control of the situation.
BTW, got a copy of the sciencemag paper you quoted the abstract of?
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Don Monfort
Here you go, Gary:
We could use this footage and pay the Strother Martin estate a few hundred bucks. There is some even better stuff with Strother in “Hanny Caulder”. And Raquel Welch is in that one, wearing a short pancho, and nothing else.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by oneillsinwisconsin
TE writes: 4. Because of agricultural concerns, the US has one of the oldest histories of meteorological observations. ”
LOL. American parochialism is so quaint.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Brian G Valentine
Richard Boone as Anthony Watts, but Boone’s gone
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Mike Flynn
Don Monfort,
The thought of Raquel Welch wearing nothing but a short Pancho is titillating. Even more if said Pancho was, in turn, wearing nothing more than his birthday suit!
Cheers.
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Comment on Watts et al.: Temperature station siting matters by Don Monfort
Boone would be OK, Brian. Not too many people know he’s dead. But I am thinking Frank Sinatra. We soul make it a semi-musical. I guess we could use Pat Boone. But live guys cost more money.
Slow down, mike. We are going for a PG rating.
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