R Gates
For CO2 to be warming the oceans, it must of necessity first warm the atmosphere – the greenhouse effect. Since the atmosphere is now not warming, the oceans must be warming for some other reason.
Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by Greybeard
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Comment on What separates science from non-science? by jcbmack
Interesting blog discussion of these issues by a wide variety of professionals both scientists and not can be found here:
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/471031-climate-change-debate-48.html#post7227149
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by NW
Peter,
Another point. For some reason I have a different conception of the cost of raising tax revenue from most of you. While I can and do think about the direct out-of-pocket monitoring costs to the government, and can be easily reminded that I’m not attending to them carefully, I also think of the tax-avoidance costs–people and businesses spending real resources to hide the activity.
In many economies, including developed economies, vast resources are spent evading taxes by hiding profits, wages and so forth. This is a double cost because (a) real resources are flushed down the toilet by the evasion activity, and (b) potential tax revenue is lost in the process.
Take an economy like that of the US and guess that 3% of economic activity is grey market (to avoid labor taxation). Multiply the reported GNP of the US by .03, and then by .15 for the social security tax. That is your estimate of lost tax revenue due to grey market activity. Also, some proportion or the .03 times GNP is going to be real resource expenditures toward remaining grey, that is, outside the view of the taxman. This is going to be a large number.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by BatedBreath
A carbon text would make sense if both
(1) we actually knew CO2 was a serious issue
(2) there was some way of preventing its revenue-neutrality being compromised
(1) is at least conceivable.
(2) is not.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by BatedBreath
Why is WUWT’s policy of publishing emails such an issue? Anyone who doesn’t like it can simply not go there.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by Wagathon
At over 80K it is not low — it is higher earners that are a relatively low number… and, a portion of the rate is unlimited. Consider too that compared to earlier times there are far fewer deductions–some of which phase out to the extent that many “high” earners now pay alternative minimum income tax — the “millionair’s tax — that earn less than a quarter of million dollars.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by BatedBreath
maxOK
If and when fossil fuel seems likely to run low, the price will rise to limit use of it. Taxing carbon on top of this will just force us to needlessly and/or prematurely switch to something more expensive.
And only if and when we know co2 is the serious issue IPCC fraud and dogma says it is, would limiting it on pollution grounds make any sense.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by NW
Wag,
See here:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=221\\
The first column shows the breakdown of federal taxes paid by income quintiles. At the top are the shares of total federal taxes. At the bottom are the payments as a percentage of mean income in each quintile. By either measure, the top two quintiles are paying the lion’s share of the taxes. The bottom quintiles actually pay less than the 15% social security tax, mostly because the Earned Income Credit is refundable so they get back a great deal of that. You have to be in the third quintile before you actually pay more than the 15% social security tax, and that is only about 2% more on average.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by BatedBreath
It being a racing certainty that a revenue-neutral carbon tax will very soon just be another (revenue) tax, the way to ensure its effect remain revenue neutral is to reduce or abolish some other tax – say income tax. This will also avoid the administrative overhead of making all those refunds.
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Comment on Sea level rise discussion thread by Wagathon
Why doesn't the EPA just make sea level rise illegal? That should help sir up some chaos for the chum to feed on.
<a href="http://evilincandescentbulb.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/accurate-tea-leaf-reading-in-a-climate-of-chaos/" title="Accurate Tea Leaf Reading in a Climate of Chaos" rel="nofollow">Accurate Tea Leaf Reading in a Climate of Chaos</a>
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Comment on Sea level rise discussion thread by kim
No, No, No! The ‘moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow’ was June 3, 2008.
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Comment on Sea level rise discussion thread by Wagathon
They rise faster than they fall and fall quicker than they rise so the slower the rise the quicker they fall for at least as long as we have been keeping track since after it all began.
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Comment on Sea level rise discussion thread by capt. dallas 0.8 +/-0.2
The “new” solar TSI estimate is 1360.8Wm-2, the annual variation is from around 1321 to 1413 Wm-2. The southern hemisphere oceans benefit from the highest insolation, so an even smaller variation in albedo in the southern hemisphere can have a large impact. Natural variability can easily over whelm a few Wm-2 of gas forcing.
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Comment on Sea level rise discussion thread by steven
I am not suprised there are differences of magnitude in the estimates of ground water/terrestrial storage contribution to sea level. What does suprise me is how the subject was treated in AR4 which was nothing more than hand waving the problem away. It’s a very difficult problem to quantify.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by John from CA
To be honest, I think “useless” is a bit harsh. Like a battery, we need a negative to support a positive and there have been a few Green ideas that have some merit. Decentralized power generation and decentralized manufacture are fascinating opportunities to reduce pollution, address clean water, and free the individual from tyranny.
Your “market-enhancing” economic development strategy for Queensland sounds fascinating. If you’ve got a link I’d really like to read it.
Regards and I hope Australia can free itself from the Carbon Tax nonsense in the coming elections.
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Comment on Sea level rise discussion thread by Latimer Alder
Ain’t That the Truth, Brother!
We’ve continually accommodated sealevel rise since the end of the last Ice Age. There is absolutely no reason to think that we won’t be able to do so in the future.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by R. Gates
Regarding a jacket that you wear and the jacket of greenhouse gases surrounding the planet, there are important differences, such as the fact that the source of heat for the Earth is mostly external from the sun whereas you are the source of heat that is trapped by wearing a jacket. Also, difference energy exchange processes are in place (conductive versus radiative), but the result is the same– to slow the flow of heat away from the body/planet. The atmosphere does not have to warm up before the oceans, but instead it acts as a governor controlling the rate of heat flowing out of the oceans. Both effects- the physical jacket you wear, and the jacket of greenhouse gases surrounding the Earth alter thermal gradients, simply by different processes.
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Comment on Sea level rise discussion thread by Latimer Alder
Update:
I learn that Tuvalu was only first populated about 250 years ago. Bad decision to go there then.. Bad decision to stay there now.
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Comment on Sea level rise discussion thread by Herman Alexander Pope
The GHG explanation is only an unproven speculation.
My Theory is much better.
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Comment on Conservative perspectives on climate change by R. Gates
This really is very simple Greybeard. CO2 slows the rate of flow of LW radiation out of the atmosphere. Anything that slows the rate of flow will alter the thermal gradient. If the thermal gradient is altered, the surface and oceans warm. Easy to understand for most.
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