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Comment on Frankenstorm by curryja

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Yes, amazing editorial by Emanuel, its on my list for week in review

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Comment on Climate change: no consensus on consensus by willard (@nevaudit)

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And just when our troglodyte were bragging about his control prowesses:

> FOAD can be used in many different scenarios. However, no matter what scenario the word is used in [it] is a way vent emotional instabilty [sic.] in a given situation.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=foad

Comment on Frankenstorm by dalyplanet

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Toles is convinced every raindrop, every warm day, every snowstorm, is now caused by humans CO2

Comment on Climate change: no consensus on consensus by willard (@nevaudit)

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Springer,

I believe that you’re the one Standing so close to me. And when I say “I believe”, that means I could document it. Please look up “Archivist” in the Flame Warriors roster.

And now you’re denying dropping off the glove first. I offered a fair warning and you still wanted to instigate a brawl. I tried my best to stay gentle while threading on you, as the poet implored.

Don’t you think you’ve had enough? There’s nothing in it for me. At least Peter Davies enjoyed it.

You’re not a Big Dog, and perhaps never will. The best you could target is to become an affectionate troglodyte. Please mind your manners. Just a bit.

Goodbye,

w

Comment on Frankenstorm by R. Gates

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David Wojick | October 31, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Gates, neither black swan nor dragon king are statistical concepts, rather they are vague metaphors, so I do not use them. You claimed Sandy was an extreme outlier, which is a statistical claim, which I am challenging. Show me the distribution where Sandy is an extreme outlier

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We’ll they are indeed generalized metaphors for specific statisical concepts related to dynamical systems and their self-organized criticality. See:

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.4290.pdf

But looking at the records:

http://www.weather2000.com/NY_Hurricanes.html

We see that the last time that we had two years in a row that some hurricane or tropical storm hit the NY area was 1954. Interestingly, this was also during a cool phase of the PDO, which could give some ammo to Judith’s push for funding of a grant to study such things.

So, with the average length of time between such storms hitting the NY City area being somewhere around 8 to 10 years going back to the 19th century, suppose we get another storm like this next year, or the year after? 3 or 4 of these occuring in a 5 year period is very improbable, and while statistically unlikely, of course not impossible, and are (at this point) unforeseen. But what if we see the frequency of these increase, just like the frequency of years with lower than average Arctic sea ice has increased over the past few decades? At what point does a trend indicate a regime change?

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Comment on What’s the best climate question to debate? by Myrrh

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You don’t have any arguments.. You, generic, just keep regurgitating the fake fisics of the Greenhouse Effect.

Put your science where your mouth is, take up my challenge. How is it so difficult for you to show that visible light heats the land and water at the equator intensely to get us our great wind and weather systems? This is your BASIC CLAIM!

You’ve never heard it put like that? Of course you haven’t, your fake fisics doesn’t describe the real world.

Why won’t anyone here provide the simple information I’m asking for here? Show how visible light heats land and water to get our great weather systems? Don’t you know anything about how we get our winds and weather? Don’t you know anything about how different electromagnetic energies interact with matter? If you can’t provide real physical science, don’t b*llsh*t with your continued pretence to know what the hell you’re talking about..

Show how Visible Light from the Sun directly heats the land and water at the Equator to the intensity these are actuallly heated by the Sun to give us our real huge Wind and Weather Systems, in the real world.

Do you even understand what I’m asking for?

What is wind?

Comment on Frankenstorm by captdallas2 0.8 +0.2 or -0.4

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R. Gates, ” At what point does a trend indicate a regime change?”

That would depend on the cause and the interpreter. Given that 15 years is no longer a “trend”, it is now 17 years and the cycle is about 27 years, it will be a trend just in time for the next regime change :)

A black swan is supposed to be a major event not predicable before hand but predictable in retrospect. It is like Taleb has a sarcastic sense of humor. Remember, he is not a very big fan of models.

Comment on Frankenstorm by RiHo08

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Judith Curry

Is the Western Tropical Warming Pool expanding in width, depth, or both?

Does the increased water cycle of the Western Warming Pool serve as a brake on the impacts of weather in the Mid-Latitudes?

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Comment on Climate change: no consensus on consensus by Catarella

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Hi Doug,

Let me try different words. My interest in climate change really is peripheral and follows retirement from a career in other fields of environmental science. I may be one of the few people frequenting the climate blogs not trying ‘solve’ anything. I was giving Montalbano my most basic ‘chemical physicist’ answer to how can on to distinguish between the solar (UV/vis) radiation and GHG (IR) because the question was indeed how to distinguish between them. In addition, I am neither qualified nor inclined to extend my comments to the details of where my knowledge is at a conceptual level–I don’t work on the specific problem nor it it likely I will. So I have other priorities.

So yes you are correct in that I am willfully limiting my thinking, but not because I advocate one approach (to CC) over the other–I don’t know enough for that. It is just that after decades of wrangling, cajoling, doing the right thing on my own time, to many times putting up with stupidity, I am just going to do/look at/enjoy the morsels of science that interest me. I pay my salary ;O).

For the record I intuitively feel something is not right at a very fundamental level. This is largely because no one speaks with quiet confidence. And that is an important cue.

You did come back and write more, though. I appreciate that (concurrent) response and will take a look at them.

Regards mwgrant aka Catarella

Sorry for the delay in response–Halloween duties.

Comment on Climate Data Records: Maturity Matrix by Faustino

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About time, many critics have been seeking such initiatives for years,

Comment on Learning (?) lessons from Sandy by Alexander Biggs

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In general I prefer private enterprise to provide public services but the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) has provided a good service to the public at taxpayer expense. But they uncritically accepted the views of the UN’s IPCC on future climate, as did many private providers and for that I cannot forgive them.

After the 1940 experience, and the last decade’s experience of no global warming, despite increases in CO2, both private and public weather services must be wondering why they continue to follow the IPCC. Of course it should be said that climate prediction science is quite different from weather prediction although a poor signal to noise ratio is evident in both. But weather prediction has greatly improved since the introduction of computers and satellites. Now it seems that climate prediction needs more than classical thermodynamics for advancement and to explain the above aberrations. See my website above.


Comment on Learning (?) lessons from Sandy by Joshua

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Here’s a lesson maybe we could learn from Sandy.

Over the past months, I have read many a “skeptic” explain that public concern about climate change was dropping because of the public was seeing that claims from climate scientists were exaggerated, and thus the public had lost confidence in climate scientists. I was told that short-term weather patterns (a few cold winters) were proving to be the “last nail in the coffin” and the “last stake through the heart” of concern about AGW. Judith opined that there was a “crisis” of confidence in climate science. I remember exchanging comments with Willis on more than one occasion, where I explained to him that his confidence in his theory of attribution for public opinion on climate change seemed ill-founded.

I suggested a number of other factors that might well correlate with public opinion; the economy, the rise of political extremism among the rightwing, short-term weather phenomena. I suggested to Judith that if she was going to theorize about a “crisis” in climate scientists, she might want to gather some validated data on which to support her theory. I suggested to many of my beloved “skeptics” that they might be generalizing about public opinion based on an inaccurate projection of their own views onto others – a form of motivated reasoning. I suggested that their confidence in their theories about the causes of public opinion might be the confidence of a “skeptic” and not the analysis of a skeptic.

And lo and behold, recent droughts, fires, and storms – the last being Sandy – undoubtedly have proven the theories of my much beloved “skeptics,” about the causal factors in public opinion on climate change. to be ill-considered after all. One might even say facile.

So irrespective of whether or not the science supports a direct link between Sandy and climate change resulting from ACO2 – I think that a lesson at least some of us might learn from Sandy is that they should be more careful when drawing lines between causation and correlation.

Comment on Learning (?) lessons from Sandy by lolwot

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ENSO and solar cycle are all that are needed to explain the trend over the last 10 years. See Foster and Rahmstorf.

Until there’s a breakdown in the ENSO and solar cycle corrected warming it cannot be claimed warming has stopped.

Comment on What’s the best climate question to debate? by stefanthedenier

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BatedBreath | November 1, 2012 at 4:48 am said: ” Or perhaps he’s the most ignorant person that has ever blogged here”

Bated, ignorance is in the eyes of the beholder. It’s not Myrrh fault for you people being too ignorant to understand what he is saying!
1] what is ”visible light” for you, is not for other animals – b] birds can see colours of light that you can’t.

2] .some colours of the light / photons are accompanied by higher radiation, others not. Radiation that creates heat, Heat is accumulative. BUT, strictly speaking of the photons as ”visible light’ is not / it turns to nothing: If you have strong light in a chamber for 10 days, chamber without windows, to prevent it of escaping – will not accumulate – when you turn the lights off, will instantly get dark. You can transfer / calculated heat created by radiation parts, but cannot accumulate / transfer the photons – otherwise you would be able to accumulate photons in pots and buckets during the day and use it at night home, to save electricity. When somebody surfers from hypothermia – they use illuminating blanket. b] mirror reflects sunlight, because those different colours of light have radiation effect + photons, as light. Myrrh’s only fault is: wasting so much time on ignorants like you, Springer and Memphis, thugs with a ”closed parashoot brains”.

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Comment on Learning (?) lessons from Sandy by Howard

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Shorter version from the Climate Progress Talking Points Memo: Weather will save Climate Science© from the Pause™.

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