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Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by mike

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Max_OK,

Two things, Max:

-Rep West did not say that Democrats are Communists. Though I appreciate that your comment is just a goof-ball provocation.

-Rep West put his butt on the line to save some young American lives–no one you’re likely to know, Max–and paid a price. But there are some families who will have theirs sons with them this Thanksgiving thanks to Rep West. But somehow Rep West has become a person to mock with sophomoric hyperbole because he doesn’t fit in to the hive’s agenda. Not your kind of guy, Max, I know, but my kind of guy.

The prep-school guy who won–your speed, Max_OK.


Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by Girma

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Max

Here is the chart on Hansen that supports your statements above:
http://bit.ly/JPvWx1

What a big joke (“We are among the most successful predictors the world has ever seen”).

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by dennis adams

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Logiclogiclogic- You ask a number of excellent and provocative questions and it is notable that no one has tried to answer them. Keep asking.

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by Girma

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Hansen et al 1988 (Fig3b Vs Observation) 5-Year Running Mean

http://bit.ly/JPvWx1

The above comparison shows the following results:
Scenario A for 2010=>1.1 deg C
Scenario B for 2010=>0.9 deg C
Scenario C for 2010=>0.6 deg C
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Observed 5-Year Running Mean for 2010 => 0.6 deg C
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/mean:60/from:1960
The above results show the observation matches the scenario C projection.

For scenario C annual greenhouse growth rate decreases after the 1980s such that it ceases to increase after 2000. This did not happen. Hansen’s 1988 prediction has failed.

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by Steven Mosher

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looks like you didnt read the paper or understand climate science

Comment on Week in review 11/17/12 by WebHubTelescope

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Another geologist, retired from the oil industry, making up stuff.

So what else is new.

Comment on Week in review 11/17/12 by Chief Hydrologist

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Oh – I just noticed the latest tirade. The warming is nowhere near 0.17 or 0.2 degrees/decade. Not even in the skepticalscience animation. Even generously accepting Swanson at the rc post ( http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/07/warminginterrupted-much-ado-about-natural-variability/ ) – it is about 0.1 degrees C/decade between 1979 and 1997 – i.e. excluding ENSO dragon-kings.

Even if we assume – as Swanson suggests – that all this is global warming due to greenhouse gases it is still about 58.88235% of the total warming in the period. So 41.12…% is ENSO.

The assumption that it is all greenhouse gases between 1979 and 1997 seems at least questionable given the satellite TOA flux data.

If he had bothered to read the Wong et al 2006 reference – and it takes a little more than 2 minutes – he would have found this – http://s1114.photobucket.com/albums/k538/Chief_Hydrologist/?action=view&current=Wong2006figure7.gif

Where we have overlapping ocean heat content and ERBE data – it shows the ocean heat content responding to the reduction in cloud. This of course makes perfect sense and shows the consistency with the satellite record – as noted in the IPCC link I provided. The same thing is apparent in the CERES?ARGO overlapping period.

The proposition is that this Pacific mode has both augmented and hidden any global warming signal from greenhouse gses. This is quite obvious, has been for a decade and is the subject of the NASA article I keep linking to.

For the future the cool mode will likely persist for another decade or three. Beyond that there can be no expectation that we will return to a warmer mode. Given that we are at a 1000 El Nino peak – the expectations should include progression to a cooler and more cooler phase.

Even if it did return to a warmer phase – it is only about 0.1 degrees C/decade. What would that matter for another 50 years at least? We will still be well within the mooted dangerous warming.

But it is not as simple as that.

It is no wonder that bllah blah duh and webby the attack smurf get on so well – they are both comprehensively idiots.

Comment on Week in review 11/17/12 by Chief Hydrologist

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Max,

Together the systems are known as the Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation. They are not oscillations of course they are state shifts on the phase space toplology.

Cheers


Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by jim2

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Nope. It isn’t over now. It is never over. Just because the 47% who live on the lower half of the IQ bell curve voted for something they can understand, “free stuff!,” does not mean skeptics are done.

Comment on Week in review 11/17/12 by Chief Hydrologist

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Speaking as the attack smurf masquerading as an electrician making up stuff?

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by Wagathon

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Humanity’s De Minimis Impact On Weather Is Fact
Everything Else Is Politically Driven Dogma
Humanity’s contribution to all greenhouse gases is just…0.280% [i.e., less than a third (<1/3) of a Percent].
What that means is 99.72% of all greenhouse gases are … Natural

Comment on Future of Arctic enterprise by stevepostrel

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SMosher: The corporate payoff function on large investments is highly subject to agency problems between managers and shareholders. The biggest problem is herding behavior–a manager who performs badly, but with the same strategy as his rivals, is less subject to loss of reputation than is a contrarian. Bottom line: If everybody else makes money in the Arctic and you don’t, you the manager are punished and denigrated, but if everyone else also fails there you get off pretty unscathed. The higher-variance upside and downside of contrarianism is not attractive to the typical risk-averse manager.

There is also a problem of managerial risk-aversion in general; since more of their total wealth (including human capital) is tied up in the corporation than is the typical diversified shareholder, they are more worried about the variance of earnings than the typical shareholder. (Stock options used to be used to lean against this bias, but the new and improved regulatory climate has shifted firms away from that approach.)

I’d love to see a good event study on the market reaction to Shell or BP announcements of Arctic investments.

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by Faustino

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by David Wojick

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So now 30 days is climate? In any case consistently good 30 day predictions are probably impossible due to atmospheric turbulence, also called chaos. But there is no money in unpredictability.

Comment on Week in review 11/17/12 by Girma

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Chief

Here is a published paper that supports your position that the observed warming of 0.2 deg C per decade for the period 1970-2000 includes a warming trend due to the warm phase of the PDO of about 0.12 deg C per decade.

…we showed that the rapidity of the warming in the late twentieth century was a result of concurrence of a secular warming trend and the warming phase of a multidecadal (~65-year period) oscillatory variation and we estimated the contribution of the former to be about 0.08 deg C per decade since ~1980.

Wu et al.
On the time-varying trend in global-mean surface temperature
http://bit.ly/PDBWyZ


Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by Girma

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by sunshinehours1

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Which people suffer when Tmin climbs a fraction of a degree?

Climate Scientists?

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by captdallas2 0.8 +0.2 or -0.4

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Peter Lang, “…that ACO2 is just one of many risks.” Yep. And it seems to be a pretty good tracer gas for evaluating overall climate risk. Unfortunately, that perspective hasn’t sunk in quite yet.

Comment on Whither (wither?) climate science? by sunshinehours1

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Impact of Germany closing down its nuclear power plants and squandering hundreds of billions on solar?

More brown coal being burned.

Greenies like to emulate Rachel Carson’s genocidal banning of DDT.

Comment on Future of Arctic enterprise by A fan of *MORE* discourse

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StevePostrel I  cited  cherry-picked Dyson to  give credit to his contribution  invoke his authority, not to  invoke his authority  give credit to his contribution .

Perhaops yah wrote it backwards, StevePostrel? \rule[-0.5ex]{0.01pt}{0.01pt}\rule[2.0ex]{0.01pt}{0.01pt}\,\boldsymbol{\ddot\smile\,\heartsuit \,\ddot\smile}\,\rule[-0.5ex]{0.01pt}{0.01pt}\rule[2.0ex]{0.01pt}{0.01pt}

Seriously, all the chapters in the 1955 text The Fabulous Future: America in 1980 are well-worth reading … these works will substantially enhance anyone’s appreciation of how strikingly accurate the predictions of scientists, engineers, statesmen, *and* sober-minded business folks can be!

Cherry-picked Dyson quotes (just like cherry-picked Al Gore quotes), not so much, eh? \rule[-0.5ex]{0.01pt}{0.01pt}\rule[2.0ex]{0.01pt}{0.01pt}\,\boldsymbol{\ddot\smile\,\heartsuit \,\ddot\smile}\,\rule[-0.5ex]{0.01pt}{0.01pt}\rule[2.0ex]{0.01pt}{0.01pt}.

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