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Comment on Multidecadal climate to within a millikelvin by Matthew R Marler

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Steven Mosher: So the upshot of Vaughan’s argument is this. Focus on #1. there mght be something interestng there. THAT is his argument in a nutshell.. grant me 1,2,and 3.. I give you milikelvins.. 2 and 3 are consensus can openers.. therefore the interesting bit of information in this argument is Number 1.

We could also proceed otherwise and have #1 left as a residual to explain.. explain that and you have solved the multidecadal variation problems

That was a good post.

I do not accept AAH as “true” but it “might be true”, so it is worthwhile to find out what else is deducible if it be true.


Comment on Improving weather forecasts for the developing world by Kip Hansen

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The UN body, WHO, managed to make the transition from simply politicizing on health to actually doing something useful — running vaccination programs, tracking epidemics, etc.

Maybe the WMO could do the same for weather.

Comment on Is fat good? by Duster

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Having worked in a couple of hospitals many, many moons ago, I can say that being really over weight can be a risk factor for things like sprains, drops, wheel chair and gurney brake failures on ramps, and other aspects of daily hospital activity. Nothing like weighing 165 and trying to slow down someone weighing 300 and very much plus on gurney on a ramp. Not even shouts and squealing shoe soles will alert the heedless.

Comment on Multidecadal climate to within a millikelvin by Matthew R Marler

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David Springer: <i>, Rossander’s configuration generates the rising side of a sine wave with a frequency of 200 some years. Unlike Pratt’s configuration Rossander’s accurately models the last 15 years of HADCRUT3 where it went flat because the top of the long sine wave is flat. </i> An actual point. Well done.

Comment on Improving weather forecasts for the developing world by Wagathon

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It also is a widely held opinion outside Western academia that the science of climatology can be likened to the science of ancient astrology.

Comment on Is fat good? by Duster

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When you look at evolution you are looking at the effects of selective breeding success. For domesticated fowl, perpetual egg laying would be a selective advantage since from the selector’s (human) view point, a hen that doesn’t lay eggs is only good for stew. Hens that lay more eggs live longer and have a better chance of meeting a rooster than those that lay fewer. Metabolic costs are only one mechanism that effects selective success.

Comment on Improving weather forecasts for the developing world by Michael

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“widely held opinion outside Western academia that the science of climatology can be likened to the science of ancient astrology.”

So you’re saying that statement is more likely foolish than sensible?

I must say Waggy, i think I agree with you for a change!

Comment on Improving weather forecasts for the developing world by Wagathon

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At this point the Little Eichmanns of the Left with their odd penchant to follow charismatic figures into the immoral abyss with such fascist glee may be drawing unwanted attention to the Left’s other tendencies — e.g., the Left’s failure to recognize and confront evil (they’d much rather confront the issue of the Ten Commandments in US courthouses), the Left’s antipathy toward capitalism (the evil big business and big oil), and the Left’s contempt toward those that embrace an ethic of free individuals taking personal responsibility for their own futures. Instead, the Left would rather address their own shortcomings by stealing from the wages of the productive.


Comment on Improving weather forecasts for the developing world by Wagathon

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Most of the people in the world, living in places like Brazil, Russia, India and China, stopped listening long ago to the 1984 version of the English language that is spoken today by Leftists in America.

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Comment on Improving weather forecasts for the developing world by David Springer

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You must mean Alex St. John. I seem to recall it was a HumVee and he did something really stupid with it showing off for out of town visitors. Drove it off the side of the road and buried the front end in a drainage ditch. If you see him, tell him I said hello. I only recall meeting him in person one time at a trade show in Austin for bartop computers with touchscreens used for gambling. Remind I’m the guy who released the D3D wrapper that translated OpenGL calls to D3D calls to run Quake II at some embarassingly (for the dweebs at Silicon Graphics) high frame rate. I was the main protagonist on the D3D side in the OpenGL wars that took place over a few years on rec.games.programming. I did the coding and testing of the wrapper at Dell during normal work hours. I had just joined Dimension at the time and we were in tight with NVidia. Joe Curley was our graphics guy. Joe really liked and thanked me by stealing the magnetic name plate on my cubicle and replacing it with one that read Geek Springer. It was kind of tradition at Dell for the more colorful characters that had been there a long time to get renamed in that fashion. I justified the time I spent (a few days I think) by saying it would be great to show how bloody fast D3D is running on our NVidia graphics board in a Dimension desktop. Contrary to urban legend Microsoft gave me the original source code which worked with an earlier version of Quake. MS also told me I could do whatever I wanted with it. When an engineer responsible for a desktop product line selling many millions of copies of Windoze calls Microsoft it doesn’t go through to voice mail to say the least. They were more than happy to accomodate my request.

Comment on Is fat good? by Duster

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Those with very high cholesterol should very likely have a dentist look closely at their gums too. The correlation between gum disease and heart disease is very high and, combined with elevated cholesterol suggests an inflammatory process is present and may be an important causal agent in heart disease.

Comment on Improving weather forecasts for the developing world by Michael

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And that’s more foolish than sensible?

Comment on Improving weather forecasts for the developing world by David Springer

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Why exactly would I care if you listened to me seriously?

Comment on Trusting (?) the experts by Max_OK

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Waggy, why let Roy Spenser dictate to you what “the null” is? Shouldn’t you have the freedom to choose any null you want.

Spenser’s “the null” is useless for statistical hypothesis testing anyway. Why would you want a null like that? You might as well have no null at all.


Comment on Trusting (?) the experts by Robert I Ellison

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Work your way through a blog thead?

‘Nearly thirty years after phasing out the widespread use of indoor spraying with DDT and other insecticides to control malaria, the World Health Organization (WHO) today announced that this intervention will once again play a major role in its efforts to fight the disease. WHO is now recommending the use of indoor residual spraying (IRS) not only in epidemic areas but also in areas with constant and high malaria transmission, including throughout Africa.’

“The scientific and programmatic evidence clearly supports this reassessment,” said Dr Anarfi Asamoa-Baah, WHO Assistant Director-General for HIV/AIDS, TB and Malaria. “Indoor residual spraying is useful to quickly reduce the number of infections caused by malaria-carrying mosquitoes. IRS has proven to be just as cost effective as other malaria prevention measures, and DDT presents no health risk when used properly.”

WHO actively promoted indoor residual spraying for malaria control until the early 1980s when increased health and environmental concerns surrounding DDT caused the organization to stop promoting its use and to focus instead on other means of prevention. Extensive research and testing has since demonstrated that well-managed indoor residual spraying programmes using DDT pose no harm to wildlife or to humans.

“We must take a position based on the science and the data,” said Dr Arata Kochi, Director of WHO’s Global Malaria Programme. “One of the best tools we have against malaria is indoor residual house spraying. Of the dozen insecticides WHO has approved as safe for house spraying, the most effective is DDT.”’ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2006/pr50/en/

Imagine what would have happened had the use of DDT not been curtailed because of poor science and moral panics. You are an incredible idiot Joshua.

And – btw – I have explained to you before my lack of a need to be consistent on not talking to you. Occassionally I will read and respond to your incredible waffle. Occassionally – I will not read and respond anyway because really you are pedictably idiotic. Mostly your comments are too worthless to bother perusing.

Comment on Trusting (?) the experts by Robert I Ellison

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I am as you know an environmental scintist. I lined to WHO and referenced the Stockholm Convention – which I have actualy read many years ago.

Again – btw – I have explained to you before my lack of a need to be consistent on not talking to you. Occassionally I will read and respond to your incredible waffle. Occassionally – I will not read and respond anyway because really you are pedictably idiotic. Mostly your comments are too worthless to bother perusing.

Comment on Trusting (?) the experts by Bob Droege

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Cosmic rays cause clouds is so 1927, they already gave a Nobel prize for that.

Comment on Trusting (?) the experts by Jim D

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If you don’t trust the experts, you should go to people in scientific fields who can judge the expert consensus without any ‘benefit’ to themselves (NAS, APS, etc.), or go to other clearly intelligent people (Apple, Google, Microsoft) for their climate opinions. Even Exxon has some climate risk statements these days that would make skeptics’ heads explode, if those are your trusted experts.
http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate_mgmt.aspx

Comment on Trusting (?) the experts by Beth Cooper

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As a non-expert, I count meself well qualified ter contribute ter this discussion. Herewith…

Mathbae asks: ‘Whom can we trust?
Trust, say, one of the BIG questions of life, inter related to
knowledge, ‘wadda-we-kow?’ Socrates, and with interdependency,
John Donne, ‘No man is an island.’

Guess from the beginning of life, children (and animals) demonstrate
a powerful need for regularities and into maturity we cling to our expectations dogmatically even as they break down. A problem of
learning, as Nassim Taleb discusses in ‘The Black Swan’ is that once
we produce a theory, we are not likely to easily change our minds.
And that applies to ‘experts’ as well.

So should we uncritically trust the expert? Taleb, in Chapter 10,
‘The Scandal of Prediction,’ :) gives examples of our human
epistemic hubris and poor record in prediction, our tendency ter over-estimate what we know to under-estimate uncertainty, and
our practice of over-looking our record of failed forecasts. Well
then, so who de we trustt? Every day some of us must rely on
some expert or other, we catch a plane, visit a dentist, undergo
a medical procedure. Past record of performance may re assure
here, and Taleb makes the distinction between experts who tend
ter be ‘experts’; … eg livestock judges, astronomers, pilots,
mathematicians ( when they deal with mathematical ‘problems)
and experts who are not ‘experts’ … eg stock brokers,
psychologists, intelligence analysts or professions that deal with
the future and base their predictions on any, other than short term physical processes. )

But what about scientists and ‘science’? Scientists per se .. well
…er no…they’re jest human like the rest of us, subject ter
confirmation bias of paridigm, ideology and the need ter procure
GRANTS. Fortunately, given the shifting sands we live on, our lack
of expertise, we have evolved the institutions of the OPEN SOCIETY
to provide checks and balances on the hubris of individuals and
power cliques.

The methodology of science, of conjecture, (guess) of testing,
tentative provisional acceptance of a hypothesis or theory, and
of refutation leading ter a new state of play. We recognise that
scientists don’t always adhere ter the methodology, maybe
inocculate their theory or gatekeep, but the METHODOLOGY
opens up to critical examination, show – yer – workings -
trans-parency and has brought great advancements ter human standards of living and ter life expectancy.

Like democracy itself, government by non expert representatives)
of the people, involing transparent enquiry and elections, ultimately
our fate lies in our own hands, not experts, not central planners , dictators, faceless decision makers of the IPCC an Yew Nighted
Nashuns At its heart it’s based on skepticism and protecting the
checks and balances. Amen.

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