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Comment on Slaying the Greenhouse Dragon. Part IV by Bryan

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Chris Ho-Stuart says
“I showed how it applies to a neutral atmosphere in this comment. above (Nov 29). I explained again with emphasis on the neutral dry atmosphere in this comment”
No you didn’t, as anyone who care to follow your links will find out.
Your second link was to advocate using a computer program called Modtran.

What a cop out!

The reason you cant use you slab model (for the n’th time) is the temperatures have already been fixed by the DALR formula of -g/Cp
or in more direct form -9.8K/km from the Earth surface temperature.

Cp has already included the radiative effects of CO2.
Only a total plonker would then try to add radiative slabs to alter the now known correct temperatures.

What you are good at Chris is writing endless reams of pure guff.


Comment on Discussion thread: Durban, emails by andrew adams

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kuhnkat,

I assume you are in the US? I’m in the UK and so am pretty familiar with the totality of the BBC’s coverage of scientific issues over the last 30 years, and our government’s approach to them.
What I see our government doing is accepting the mainstream scientific position, which is surely what one would expect, I would be more concerned if our government was making policy based on contentious minority views.
Similarly with the BBC, one would expect their scientific coverage to generally (but not exclusively) reflect mainstream scientific views, whilst highlighting significant differences of of opinion where they exist, which it does in my view. And if they need to take advice on their scientific coverage I would expect them to consult experts in the relevant fields.

Comment on Discussion thread: Durban, emails by Jim in SC

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seems as if in preparation for Durban there has been an increase in climate related stories in the mainstream press. A quick look at Google trends shows the increase started back in August and are mostly “it is much worse than we thought so we need to act now to save the planet” stories.

I don’t think Climategate II however has received much attention in the press outside of a few op eds and the majority of those were “nothing to see here move along” stories.

Comment on Shifts, phase-locked state and chaos in climate data by DocMartyn

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That way madness lays. The problem is ‘spurious correlations’. If you have 1,000,000 data sets, looking at completely unrelated phenomena, there is a very good chance that one will observe a lovely correlation between the 1,000,001th and one of the the others. Indeed, the correlation between skirt lengths and the trend in the stock market has been shown to have a strong inverse relationship. Ice cream sales and the number of shark attacks on swimmers are correlated as is the number of cavities in the teeth of elementary school children and the size of their vocabulary .

Comment on Slaying the Greenhouse Dragon. Part IV by Chris Ho-Stuart

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MODTRAN is given as an example of a well established tool that uses the same layering method as we do — or indeed anyone wanting a realistic calculation from basic physics of surface temperatures for the Earth, given our solar input.

Cp has already included the radiative effects of CO2.
Only a total plonker would then try to add radiative slabs to alter the now known correct temperatures.

Lapse rates give temperature DIFFERENCES; not temperature itself. The key issue that the greenhouse effect explains is the surface temperature.

You cannot calculate or infer surface temperatures from the lapse rate. You need something more to actually calculate the temperatures themselves, and a realistic estimate always involves numeric calculations at successive altitudes — layers, slabs, levels, slices, whatever you want to call them; and the calculations must involve absorption and emission of IR radiation; and that is governed by the greenhouse gases.

For each layer you are going to need to calculate radiation emitted and absorbed. You can’t do that with Cp.

In the troposphere, where convection establishes the lapse rate, the temperature profile is such that emission and absorption are not in balance; and every level of the atmosphere has a net loss of energy by radiation. At a stable equilibrium, convection supplies energy to make up the difference. This is called radiative convective equilibrium; it is a standard term in atmospheric physics.

In the stratosphere where convection is not involved, the lapse rate is determined by radiation effects alone, and the emission and absorption at each level is in balance. This is called radiative equilibrium; another standard term.

Cheers — Chris

Comment on Discussion thread: Durban, emails by PhilJourdan

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M. carey | November 30, 2011 at 6:48 pm |

Good God, you hacker backers know no shame.

Just for your own edification, you might want to show where anyone is “backing hackers”. Indeed, other than discussing the emails, of which the method of release is still in question, no one seems to have an affinity for or against the agent of the dissemination of the information except you. So perhaps instead of issuing petty pejoratives about “hacker this” or “hacker that”, you might want to examine your own motives for your continued situational ethics where you seem to applaud Assange, but not people who do the same thing for issues you approve of.

Comment on Discussion thread: Durban, emails by PhilJourdan

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<blockquote>Fear of punishment from liberals may be a symptom of mental illness.</blockquote> or to be more precise, a conditioned reflex.

Comment on Discussion thread: Durban, emails by PhilJourdan

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M. carey | November 30, 2011 at 9:28 pm |

kuhnkat, reading between the lines, it sounds like I may have convinced you the hacker should come out of the closet.

I want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I hope you do too.

#1 – Reading between the lines is the same thing as claiming telepathy. When did you realize you possessed this attribute?
#2 – You have rejected any truth proffered your way so far, so your last statement rings hollow.


Comment on Shifts, phase-locked state and chaos in climate data by Peter Davies

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The correct application of scientific method would be to develop theories and suitable sets of hypotheses (based on these theories) for testing on the available datasets PRIOR to any further study of the datasets themselves.

Comment on Slaying the Greenhouse Dragon. Part IV by Ken Coffman

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As a grizzled old electrical engineer, I am a one-flow, one-fluid person. As long as the accounting is done carefully, the results from a one-fluid analysys and a two-fluid analysis will be the same. I don’t like the two-flow analysis with dependent sources because it can lead you into a house of mirrors. It’s too easy to get absurd results like passive sources adding energy to a system. You know where that sad road leads–to perpetual motion and violations of the 2nd law of thermodynamices.
There has been argument over one-fluid and two-fluid analysis for hundreds of years and we probably won’t settle the argument in our lifetime.
Like radiation, there are other mysteries like magnetism. Lines of magnetic flux in and around a bar magnet is created by the strength of the poles. You can bend the lines of flux, but there is nothing a passive object can do to affect the magnitude of the NS flux. No net flux. No summed flux. One flux.
OLR is “built” from the difference in temperature between the Earth’s surface and the 3K of space. It always acts in the same direction as conduction would if conduction was enabled. It always acts in the same direction as convection would if convection was enabled. I don’t buy the idea of net radiation unless the radiation sources are independent. For my view, there’s one radation impelled by a difference of temperatures. Remember, when you tie yourself in knots summing source and dependent radiation sources to get net radiation, don’t blame me. I warned you about going there.
French scientists promoted a two-fluid theory , one positive and the other negative, flowing simultaneously in opposite directions. English scientists generally supported [Benjamin] Franklin’s one-fluid theory, in which electrification results from a surplus of deficit of a single type of charge.
– Alan Hirshfeld, The Electric Life of Michael Faraday

Comment on Science communication by Robert

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The allegation of gatekeeping implies you have determined that certain people have an allegiance to something and are excluding outsiders.

So you are evaluating allegiances among scientists, but not “skeptics,” although you argue that they are part of the “extended peer review community.”

If they are to play the important part in the scientific discourse you say, shouldn’t you critically evaluate their allegiances and it effects on their behavior?

Comment on Science communication by Jim of CP

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Robert | December 9, 2011 at 4:52 pm

“One thing they cannot do is reveal statistical manipulation in climate-change studies that require a PhD in a related field to understand. ”

Steve McIntyre and others have actually done what this guy believes to be impossible. This leads me to doubt the mental efficacy of “science journalist/blogger from the Economist.”

Comment on Science communication by P.E.

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OOPS. That wasn’t supposed to embed like that.

Comment on Science communication by randomengineer

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It’s the job of the smart people to help instruct the not.

That’s true, and precisely why everything that affects Joe in an increasingly technological society needs to be framed accordingly, and frustratingly so for Joe’s mental superiors.

This is the beauty of the internet; news is presented in “executive summary” format (e.g. your watch phone is now ready) and then in longer form for those who have the requisite skill to understand.

I’m not trivialising Joe so much as your contention that everybody gets it. No. Everybody does NOT get it. The executive summary format exists for a reason.

Comment on Science communication by Bad Andrew

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“needs to be framed accordingly”

I disagree that it needs to be “framed.” It needs to be “explained.”

Andrew


Comment on Science communication by Robert

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You illustrate a major cognitive problem with climate deniers and deniers/conspiracy theorists of all strips: If a source doesn’t accept your kookie beliefs, then they are not trustworthy (and can’t tell you your kookie belief are unfounded).

It’s a classic example of a non-falsible belief system. Fascinating as pathology, but otherwise irrelevant.

Comment on Science communication by Captain Dallas (Fish Beware!)

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P.E., you mean like the Scientist that invented the new battery technology that didn’t work, but with A123, started making Li+ batteries for vehicles and expanded its US operations to get $105million in stimulus money? Since they had 317 US employees in 2009 and about 1500 Chinese employees, that is not a bad split for the US guys.

I am nearly done with my Piezoelectric quantum well DWLR panel design, which could theoretically work if Trenberth’s numbers are right. Where do I apply for some stimulus?

Comment on Science communication by randomengineer

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“explained”

Po-Tay-To … Po-Tah-To

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Comment on Science communication by randomengineer

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<i>AIT in schools</i> Nice example. Joshua = pwned.
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