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Comment on Open thread weekend by omanuel

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Whether or not you have the title, you have a better grasp on science than some Nobel Prize winners. The great news today is just this:

On Wed 6 Mar 2013 at 10:00 am the Subcommittee on Environment will hear testimony from Judith Curry (Georgia Tech), William Chameides (Duke University), and Bjørn Lomborg (Copenhagen) on “Policy-Relevant Climate Issues in Context.”

These are credible scientists and the hearing will be Webcast live:

http://science.house.gov/hearing/subcommittee-environment-policy-relevant-climate-issues-context

I’ll write my Congressional Representatives to express appreciation!


Comment on Open thread weekend by willard (@nevaudit)

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I thought the “impressive” applied to the resume, Chewbacca.

Sorry about that.

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> He provides a quote from me saying it’s an example of mommymommyism.

No, I provide a quote of a Bad Association.

The tu quoque lies elsewhere, Chewbacca.

Keep reading harder.

Comment on Forthcoming Congressional Hearing by Doug Allen

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+1
And I wish Judith well and a thunder snow storm to interrupt the hearing!

Comment on Open thread weekend by Wayne2

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Anyone have insights on Scaled Range Analysis and temperatures? I've tried coding up what I can understand of it, and looking at graphs of GISS NH and SH and the SH looks interesting but I have no idea if I've coded it properly or how one might interpret graphs (as opposed to simply finding Hurst numbers). In R, I coded: <PRE> range.rescale <- function (x, len=length (x)) { cumdev <- cumsum (x - mean (x)) (max (cumdev) - min (cumdev)) / ( len * sd (x)) } </PRE> where I divide by length(x) to make it easier to compare results using different window widths. Then I plotted things like: <PRE> plot (rollapply (giss.sh.df[,1], 33, range.rescale), xlim=c(1880, 2012), ylim=c(0, 0.5)) for (i in 2:12) lines (rollapply (giss.sh.df[,i], 33, range.rescale)) abline (v=c(1922, 1951)) </PRE> <a HREF="http://s1090.beta.photobucket.com/user/WayneAnom/media/sh_zpsa07c073b.png.html" rel="nofollow">Resulting Graph</A> <PRE> plot (rollapply (giss.nh.df[,1], 33, range.rescale), xlim=c(1880, 2012), ylim=c(0, 0.5)) for (i in 2:12) lines (rollapply (giss.nh.df[,i], 33, range.rescale)) </PRE> <a HREF="http://s1090.beta.photobucket.com/user/WayneAnom/media/nh_zps2cf9ac4e.png.html" rel="nofollow">Resulting Graph</A> Which is a bit interesting since the SH appears to have an interesting event in the 1922-1951 era. Still, not sure what I might want to look at or if I am doing it correctly or not. Anyone with tips on this?

Comment on Forthcoming Congressional Hearing by Wagathon

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Confucius say scientific worldview influence many small minds.

Comment on Forthcoming Congressional Hearing by hro001

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It's interesting to note that at (least one of) Chameides' previous congressional appearances was during the course of a November 14, 2011 Waxman-Markey hearing billed as: <a href="http://democrats.naturalresources.house.gov/hearing/congressional-climate-briefing-push-end-climate-change-skepticism-0" rel="nofollow">Congressional Climate Briefing to Push "End of Climate Change Skepticism"</a>. Although the "official" name of the hearing appears to have been: Congressional climate science briefing: "Undeniable Data: The Latest Research on Global Temperature and Climate Science". And, for the record, look who got top billing in that cast of characters: <blockquote>The briefing will feature the first appearance on Capitol Hill by Dr. Richard Muller since the release of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project results. <strong>Dr. Muller was previously skeptical about many aspects of climate science, but the massive two-year study he led has validated the fact that the world is warming. His work also debunked many talking points repeated by climate science deniers</strong> that have been repeated by lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Dr. Ben Santer of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory will discuss new research on recent warming. Dr. William Chameides, dean of Duke University's Nicholas School of the Environment and vice-chair of the National Academies' Committee on America's Climate Choices, will discuss the findings of the National Academies' America's Climate Choices reports [emphasis added -hro]</blockquote> My <a href="http://hro001.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/reforming-the-non-policy-prescriptive-ipcc/#comment-592" rel="nofollow">impression</a> of Chameides' closing remarks, at the time, was that he was shifting from all-climate-change-all-the-time to jargon that was more reflective of the impending "biodiversity" message of doom and gloom. IOW perhaps he was preparing to jump from IPCC dogma to the new improved dogma of its then waiting-in-the-wings sibling, IPBES. I wonder what Chameides will have to say <em>this</em> time around - and which hat(s) he might be wearing. But that aside ... I, for one, am certainly glad to hear that this forthcoming hearing will feature Dr. Curry ... rather than an encore performance from born-again-skeptic-no-more merry-go-round-rider, Muller. The topic, "Policy-Relevant Climate Issues in Context", certainly sounds more promising (at least to my ears) than a "Briefing to Push 'End of Climate Change Skepticism'". All the best, Judith.

Comment on Open thread weekend by tempterrain

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What if the Creationist crowd got together and voted for this website?
http://www.intelligentdesign.org/

Apparently, 40% of Americans disagree with Darwinian science, (even though they probably don’t understand it), so it probably wouldn’t be too difficult for the fundamentalist churches to get organised with the numbers to do that.

What then? Would consensus science have to recognise the error of its ways and accept it had been “beaten”?

Comment on Forthcoming Congressional Hearing by John Robertson

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Good luck, may you meet some intelligent Congress critters.


Comment on Forthcoming Congressional Hearing by Wagathon

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When it became obvious the warming signal embedded in all of the data was such a very small part of total variability, that is the very moment when the AGW hypothesis became political science because politicians were better equipped to resolve any would-be signal.

Comment on Forthcoming Congressional Hearing by Myrrh

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Enjoy yourself!

Came across this blast from the past yesterday:

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/archive/pr0310.html
CfA Press Release

Release No.: 03-10
For Release: March 31, 2003
20th Century Climate Not So Hot

“Cambridge, MA – A review of more than 200 climate studies led by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics has determined that the 20th century is neither the warmest century nor the century with the most extreme weather of the past 1000 years. The review also confirmed that the Medieval Warm Period of 800 to 1300 A.D. and the Little Ice Age of 1300 to 1900 A.D. were worldwide phenomena not limited to the European and North American continents. While 20th century temperatures are much higher than in the Little Ice Age period, many parts of the world show the medieval warmth to be greater than that of the 20th century.

“Smithsonian astronomers Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas, with co-authors Craig Idso and Sherwood Idso (Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change) and David Legates (Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware), compiled and examined results from more than 240 research papers published by thousands of researchers over the past four decades. Their report, covering a multitude of geophysical and biological climate indicators, provides a detailed look at climate changes that occurred in different regions around the world over the last 1000 years.

“”Many true research advances in reconstructing ancient climates have occurred over the past two decades,” Soon says, “so we felt it was time to pull together a large sample of recent studies from the last 5-10 years and look for patterns of variability and change. In fact, clear patterns did emerge showing that regions worldwide experienced the highs of the Medieval Warm Period and lows of the Little Ice Age, and that 20th century temperatures are generally cooler than during the medieval warmth.”

“Soon and his colleagues concluded that the 20th century is neither the warmest century over the last 1000 years, nor is it the most extreme. Their findings about the pattern of historical climate variations will help make computer climate models simulate both natural and man-made changes more accurately, and lead to better climate forecasts especially on local and regional levels. This is especially true in simulations on timescales ranging from several decades to a century.”

A decade further on…

Comment on Open thread weekend by Herman Alexander Pope

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Between the tax incentives and subsidies, plus the primium prices California pays us for the renewable credits, we do ok.

In other words, a scam or worse.

Comment on Open thread weekend by Steven Mosher

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. willard, assigning homework to others…

Comment on Open thread weekend by Herman Alexander Pope

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Warm ocean water has been flowing through the Arctic for ten thousand years. When it is very warm, such as now, the Arctic Sea Ice extent gets low in summer until the minimum in September. Nothing to do with CAGW, this is natural cycles. When the oceans are cooler the sea ice does not recede as ,much in the warm seasons. The warmer the summer oceans, the more the sea ice recedes and then it snows more and gets colder to make the rebound bigger. Cold follows warm and warm follows cold.

Comment on Open thread weekend by Brandon Shollenberger

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I don’t think that counts as homework. Short of mind-reading, I don’t see any way someone could figure out what willard meant. After all, he isn’t doing anything to help. He just says it is “obvious.”

Of course, he then says to “read harder.” I’m not sure how that makes sense. Why should someone have to read harder to see the obvious?

Then again, this is willard we’re talking about.

Comment on Open thread weekend by Girma

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There is a clear need for a serious and properly sober investigation into what triggered the idea in the mid to late 60s that pampered Western youths, male and female, had suddenly been granted an otherwise unprecendented insight into the corrupting of impact of their civilisation, of which they were all obvious beneficiaries, and which, left unchecked, would inevitably spark a new global catastrophe.

Then it was the imminent arrival a new Ice Age. Today, of course, precisely the opposite is claimed. Either way, it is asserted that the result will be the same: a world rendered uninhabitable, despoiled, ruined, left waste, a monument to conspicuous consumption that can be avoided only by self-flagellation on an equally epic scale.

How does anyone explain this perverse inversion of truth? You have never had it better so you immediately want to destroy precisely those elements that have made your life safer, happier, more secure and richer than at any time in humanity’s otherwise inglorious existence?

Is there an in-built mechanism that affects pampered youths that demands that the moment a society has overcome all the basic insecurities of practically the whole of human history it should be laid waste?

I can just about understand Millenarium types in the Middle Ages waiting on mountain tops for what they assumed was their inevitable, deserved destruction, victims of an implacable, cruel god. Theirs was a world that was unforgiving in every sense.

But what, in name of everything rational, leads the world’s most pampered generation to decry everything that has made their lives so desirable?

If human ingenuity knows few limits, you can only say the same about human perversity.

Time for a stiff drink.

Plus ca change . . .

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/3/1/1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html


Comment on Forthcoming Congressional Hearing by Wagathon

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… and, very little has changed–for example, the Left hated Bush because he didn’t sign a treaty that no one would have observed and would have accomplished nothing for humanity and would have had disastrous consequences for the US if it had been signed and enforced.

Comment on Direct Statistical Simulation by manacker

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Bart R

You ask me

Who is saying Catastrophic, and who is saying Risk?

IPCC in AR4 is saying BOTH. Let me be more specific.

“CAGW” is the IPCC premise that:

1. human GHGs have been the cause of most of the observed warming since ~1950 [AR4 WGI SPM, p.10]

2. this reflects a model-predicted 2xCO2 climate sensitivity of 3.2°C±0.7°C [AR4 WGI Ch.8, p.633]

3. this represents a serious potential threat to humanity and our environment from anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the range of 1.8°C to 6.4°C by the end of this century with increase in global sea level of up to 0.59 meters [AR4 WGI SPM, p.13]

4.resulting in increased severity and/or intensity of heat waves, heavy precipitation events, droughts, tropical cyclones and extreme high sea levels [AR4 WGI SPM, p.8],

5. with resulting flooding of several coastal cities and regions, crop failures and famines, loss of drinking water for millions from disappearing glaciers, intensification and expansion of wildfires, severe loss of Amazon forests, decline of corals, extinction of fish species, increase in malnutrition, increase in vector borne and diarrheal diseases, etc. [AR4 WGII]

6. unless world-wide actions are undertaken to dramatically curtail human GHG emissions (principally CO2) [AR4 WGIII]

Sounds “catastrophic” (almost “biblical”) to me.

Max

Comment on Direct Statistical Simulation by Bart R

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David L. Hagen | March 8, 2013 at 9:44 am |

1) Did the Met Office say that the model mean temperature not greater than zero for 15 years (at 95% level)?

There is nothing in the construction of GCMs that constrains any future span’s trend to the specific years in which the span occurs. How could it?

Over the course of all the GCM runs conventionally referred to as the IPCC ensemble forecast, there were falling 15 year trends.

OR the global temperature trend is less than zero (at the 95% level)?

So we see that even if the global temperature trend were less than zero, that is perfectly consonant with the model projections.

2) Was the fifteen year global temperature trend from 1940 to 1975 significantly greater than zero?

As 1940 to 1975 is longer than 15 years, the answer is both:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/mean:89/mean:91/from:1940/plot/gistemp/mean:89/mean:91/derivative/normalise/from:1940/plot/gistemp/mean:29/mean:31/scale:0.00001/from:1940/plot/gistemp/mean:29/mean:31/from:1940/plot/gistemp/mean:29/mean:31/derivative/normalise/from:1940/plot/gistemp/last:180/trend/plot/esrl-co2/mean:11/mean:13/normalise

3) Can you quantitatively show that the GCM’s mean temperature predictions are more accurate than Scafetta’s 2000 predictions?

Why limit ourselves to Scafetta?

Why not include other astrologers, people who read the innards of pigeons and goats, dowsers, and random writers of science fiction? There’s bound to be a few who based on some fabulistic standard were spot-on in their predictions.

4) Tthe GCM global temperature model means able to forecast/hindcast half of historical tempreatures given data from the other half of the period?

This focus on temperature level, this mania for holding models to an impossible standard, where does it come from? Do that many people have childhood trauma associated with thermometers?

Temperature level is not a valid metric of success for a GCM. Trend profile is. And yes, GCMs are validated against that metric.

5) If not, why rely on the less accurate models?

Here’s where we come to the advantage of actual scientific hypothesis over fingoism. With a clear understanding of the mechanism proposed in the model, the proponents can identify how accurate the models ought be, and especially how accurate they ought not be.

Scafetta’s produced a mystery-based voodoo fiction that is highly accurate, but not very convincing.

6) On what statistical basis do you evaluate when GCM’s do/do not predict global temperature?

Why waste time generating statistics measuring impossible success? GCMs can’t predict volcanic eruptions; until something can, there’s no way to predict global temperature level, regardless of the alignment of the planets or how accurate Scafetta’s horoscope appears for a brief moment if you squint favorably.

7) On what statistical basis do you judge that GCM’s are able to distinguish:
7.1) major anthropogenic warming from
7.2) minor anthropogenic warming from
7.3) the null hypothesis of natural change?

And why distinguish 7,.1 from 7.2? A trespass is a trespass whether it’s a toe or the whole hind end. There’s no difference to most of us whether someone peed into the well, ‘but only a little’, as to whether or not there’s an offense.

For 7.3, the profile of temperature trends with and without CO2 forcing is dramatically different in the model runs. 100% is a pretty compelling statistic.

My eyeball comparison says the GCM’s are running way hotter than actual temperature.
Each of the IPCC’s last 4 temperature predictions trend much hotter than subsequent global temperature reality.
To me that evidences systemic Type B error.

Or, evidence you’ve systematically applied the wrong metric of success?

8) How do you quantify the presence/absence of such systemic error of predicted trends rrunning far from the mean of subsequent actual temperature trend?

The fact that the actual profile of temperature trends (rather than just temperature levels) fits well the mix of trends seen in the ensemble (merely at a different date) shows that when the correct metric is used, the question of Type B error becomes less relevant.. But it is still addressed, over and over again, in the wider literature and research to seek consilience across multiple experiments.

9) Is the last decade of SST trending upward at the IPCC’s 0.2 C/decade?

Which IPCC 0.2C/decade would that be? The one come up with in a press interview by a spokesman who appears not to understand Bayes? And surely you must understand the difference between sub-decadal timescale and climate timescale.

Go ahead, explain to us your understanding of the effects of timescale in time series trendology.

Comment on Direct Statistical Simulation by Bart R

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manacker | March 9, 2013 at 2:10 am |

Thank you for this classical illustration of the construction of a straw man.

Step one of straw man construction, overlook key elements of the claim: I did indeed ask — though not ask you — rhetorically the “who is saying CAGW” question. You can tell it was rhetorical, as I provided the answer. Which you promptly overlooked.

Step two, build a contrived scaffold partly erected from truth, careful to leave out contrary relevant detail: while your points 1. & 2. are contained within the report, chapter 19, they do not contain the central thesis of chapter 19 (discussion of risk and key vulnerabilities), but a mere thread within a wider discussion. That’s a bit like telling the story of Goldilocks and the one bowl of porridge.

Step three, go wide: not content to limit yourself to the most pertinent section of the IPCC case to the question of CAGW, as it would not support your red herring, you cherry pick every possible phrase and clause (trimmed down out of context to avoid that embarrassing revelation of how lacking in substance your straw man is) to build this faux evidence.

Step four, spring your trap: sounds to you? Sounds to you? You should know how it sounds to you, as you composed it to derive that sound, from samples that do not reflect the meaning of the whole.

Straw man. And even if it weren’t, even if the whole world but you and I were screaming catastrophe, it would not make a whit of difference to my own argument. See, I don’t generally talk about key vulnerabilities — sensible though the IPCC is about the topic — because for the most part the key vulnerabilities are distributed on the backs of people who are not me and whom I do not pretend to speak for. But Risk? Risk is something none of us avoid the expense of, including me. Risk is personal to me. I have lost something due this Risk being shoved unasked down my throat without compensation. Risk can be calculated in dollars and cents. That’s money taken from me. It’s my money. I want it back.

Why are you giving aid and comfort to thieves?

Comment on Direct Statistical Simulation by Peter Lang

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Bob Ludwick,

And why we should care.

That’s the key question.

In fact, it really is the only question worth asking.

If we cant answer that question, then why are we arguing to spend (waste?) trillions of dollars of global wealth on what is very likely to be a futile exercise?

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