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Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by jim2

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As if the authors of this second bogus-hockey-stick paper were too stupid to realize what they themselves did. Nice try, Fan. Or do you believe them to be so stupid? Or – are you so stupid as to believe they didn’t know what they did? Either way …


Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by timg56

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Scott,

Add to that the Icelandic multi-volcano. One big burp and “warming” is likely out the window for some time to come.

And while it may not occur for a thousand years or more, the likelihood of it doing so is greater than the predicted calamities of climate change.

Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by kim

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Marais de Marcott.
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Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by pokerguy

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Funny sensation. That is, to know something to a near certainty, and be unable to do much wrt informing those who would rather believe otherwise. Fan’s a beautiful example. Shuts her eyes, puts fingers in her ears, and when she’s done with that goes back to something resembling a perpetual make-out session with wendell berry. Interesting case study, Fan is.

I’d say this whole thing will keep the social scientists busy for a long time, except they’re some of the worst offenders…

The walking cognitive dead. Scared.

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Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by kim

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Rupicapra rupicapra leaps from peak to peak of the rugged Carpathians.
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Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by kim

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I think the scale may be too different, Max. We are finding to our dismay that the pitiful digital simulacrums we so grandly call Global Climate Models fail to authentically enough model the immense analog computer that is the earth’s heat engine and climate drivers.
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Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by manacker

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Willard

You point to another case where Rud Istvan deconstructs a “bamboozle” report by NRC from a year ago about the purported deleterious effects of future global warming (and higher CO2 levels?) on crop production, similar to his obliteration of the “super shtick” here and on the earlier thread..

This bogus study predicted 5% to 50% crop yield loss with 3C warming!

Rud Istvan does a good job of showing how silly this report is.

But one can do another quick “sanity check” on the NRC claims.

Over the period 1970-2010 we had the following observed changes:

1970
Population: 3.7 billion
Global temperature (HadCRUT3 anomaly, 10-year average): -0.12 °C
Atmospheric CO2: 324 ppmv
Global yields of major crops (million tons corn/wheat/rice): 788

2010
Population: 7.0 billion (up 1.9x)
Global temperature: +0.42 °C (up 0.54 °C)
Atmospheric CO2: 390 ppmv (up 66 ppmv or 20%)
Global yields of major crops (million tons): 1912 (up 1124 Mt or 2.4x)
In addition, global starvation rates were down significantly and (despite HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa) world average life expectancy increased from ~55 years to ~68 years (up by 13 years).

So I’d say this was a “win-win” situation for humanity (which theoretical analysts, like the NRC study, are just unable to visualize in their projections).

So thanks, Willard, for bringing up another good example of solid work by Rud Istvan to cut through the gobbledygook in these silly doomsday reports.

Max

Let’s do a quick sanity check on that

Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by kim

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It’s freezing drizzle outdoors, but we cookin truzzles heah in ze cocina.
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Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by David Springer

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Dishonorable service to his country. He was afraid of going to Vietnam so he faked mental illness to get out of it. Some other young man had to go in his place. That is cowardice. Don’t matter how long ago it was a tiger can’t change its stripes. The deed is done. The draft continues until the required number of boots are on the ground. A brave man filled in for him.

I could have a modicum of sympathy if he’d fled to Canada and given up his American citizenship. But here he still lives with someone else’s blood paying his tab. He isn’t fit to be an American.

Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by Chie Hydrologist

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‘In experimental philosophy, propositions gathered from phenomena by induction should be considered either exactly or very nearly true notwithstanding any contrary hypotheses, until yet other phenomena make such propositions either more exact or liable to exceptions. This rule should be followed so that arguments based on induction be not be nullified by hypotheses.’ Newton

In all cases climate is too complex to proceed from the general to the particular with simple narratives. This is the error that dogs all climate partisans. It is neccessary to proceed from the particular to the general – with appropriate qualifications.

Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by kim

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Well, I’m scared. There be hippogryphs and dementors.
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Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by timg56

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I clicked on your Wendell Berry link and as usual, it had zero bearing on the question. No where does it mention his religious affilation. The closest it comes is a coment by a reviewer of one of his works about the “failings” of the world’s religions.

Will you ever provide a direct response to a question? This one was an easy one. You could have provided several different answers, including “It isn’t any of my business.” But apparently direct, honest communication is not something you put much value in. Far more important to show off how witty, urbane and intelligent you are.


Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by manacker

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Fanny

BS remains BS, no matter how many cute smileys decorate it.

Max

Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by Jim D

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I think of the analogy of parallel resistors. The current goes more through the lower resistor when a voltage is applied. The land supports the energy flow more as its surface temperature can rise more easily to provide an increased heat out to space. It is the lower resistor to the energy flow. The voltage is the forcing. The Arctic is even more extreme due to its albedo feedback, perhaps an even lower resistance than land.

Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by Jim Cripwell

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Myrrh, you write “So, what I would like to see is this basic information, which should be standard:
“for the CAGW hypothesis, the underlying mechanism has been demonstrated experimentally under controlled conditions”
Where is it?”

Boy am I glad to see someone else writing, what I have been writing for years. From my experience, and I have discussed this very issue with just about all the warmist denizens on CE, you are NEVER going to get an answer. This issue all warmists will avoid like the plague. The evidence does not exist, and with current technology, it cannot exist.

But until this truth is admitted by the warmists, they will continue to quote irrelevant papers in the peer reviewed literature, and pretend that the IPCC is justified in stating, with confidence, the conclusions in the SPMs to WG 1 of the various ARs.

Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by lolwot

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Jim Cripwell writes: “An increase in CO2 from current levels causes a rise in global temperatures that is so small that it cannot be detected against the background of natural noise.”

Devils advocate here. What empirical evidence do you have for this claim? How do you know an increase in CO2 from current levels causes a rise in global temperatures, however small? What evidence are you basing that on?

Comment on Playing hockey – blowing the whistle by captdallas2 0.8 +/- 0.2

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Webster, Cappy Dick understands that but also knows that the CPU Temp can follow the sink. That is why I said you choice of sink was wrong, it is not the oceans it is the poles meaning you have to consider internal heat transfer in the thermal reservoir. Why that is beyond you is amazing.

.https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Fc5TThRGcvg/UU35ewdprsI/AAAAAAAAHk4/wRkNuteBw1U/s912/Atlantic%2520Zone%2520v%2520NH%2520surface.png

That is the Atlantic ocean part of your sink with the north half of your CPU.

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