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Comment on Climate Science & Sociology by A fan of *MORE* discourse

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Tonyb asks: “If I had said two years ago ’look, sea level is falling’ what reply would you have given me?”

TonyB, if I were as good and foresighted a scientist as Hansen, then I would have fearlessly and publicly predicted acceleration of the rate of sea-level rise this decade.

And so far, Hansen’s fearless and public prediction is looking pretty good, eh?

Are you as fearless and foresighted a scientist as Hansen, TonyB? Do you have any predictions to offer?

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Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by Bob Droege

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Max, you fail to rasp the full implications of the source that you cite.

Here’s the money quote

“Usually modest warming (1-4C) counteracted positive effects of doubled [CO2] on yeild.”

and

“Predictions of effects of rising [CO2] on wheat yield carry with them intrinsic uncertainty”

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by manacker

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Webby

(This comment got lost so am re-sending.)

Anti-frackers are screaming about frack water polluting the ground water and you write “the water used gets injected into shale, never to be recovered again.”

(I personally believe you’re right on that one, based on the info I’ve seen.)

But how much water is diverted from agriculture for fracking?

Apparently agriculture uses 240 times as much water as fracking, so this does not seem to be a major problem. (Even in drought-prone Texas, fracking only consumes 3% as much water as agriculture, and companies are working on methods to use LPG or other hydrocarbons as fracking fluids.)
http://theenergycollective.com/jessejenkins/205481/friday-energy-facts-how-much-water-does-fracking-shale-gas-consume

Max

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by captdallas 0.8 or less

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Webster, “He doesn’t care because he knows that all the other deniers won’t call him on it. That’s what FUD is for.”

What would you like it fit to?

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Maybe HADcrappy 30-30 with instructions?

http://redneckphysics.blogspot.com/2013/05/how-to-splice-instrumental-data-to.html

Perhaps, CET?
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I was actually hoping the Rev would call me on it, but he is just a parrot minion.

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by Steven Mosher

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Nice duck Rev.

I suppose your comment about people discussing people is not discussing people.

And staying classy? is that discussing people?

Discussing people is not categorically different than discusssing ideas.

Now gossip, that’s different.

Comment on Climate Science & Sociology by willard (@nevaudit)

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In <strong>Science as a Vocation</strong>, Max Weber mentions Plato four times. The first is to <em>explain</em> the nature of what produces creative ideas: <blockquote> The mathematical imagination of a Weierstrass is naturally quite differently oriented in meaning and result than is the imagination of an artist, and differs basically in quality. But the psychological processes do not differ. Both are frenzy (in the sense of Plato's 'mania') and 'inspiration.' </blockquote> The second serves to illustrate the contrast between how the ancients and Weber's contemporaries valued science: <blockquote> You will recall the wonderful image at the beginning of the seventh book of Plato's Republic: those enchained cavemen whose faces are turned toward the stone wall before them. Behind them lies the source of the light which they cannot see. They are concerned only with the shadowy images that this light throws upon the wall, and they seek to fathom their interrelations. Finally one of them succeeds in shattering his fetters, turns around, and sees the sun. Blinded, he gropes about and stammers of what he saw. The others say he is raving. But gradually he learns to behold the light, and then his task is to descend to the cavemen and to lead them to the light. He is the philosopher; the sun, however, is the truth of science, which alone seizes not upon illusions and shadows but upon the true being. </blockquote> The third appears in the next paragraph, where the opposition between today (i.e. Weber's "youth") and yesterday (i.e. Plato) clashes: <blockquote> Well, who today views science in such a manner ? Today youth feels rather the reverse: the intellectual constructions of science constitute an unreal realm of artificial abstractions, which with their bony hands seek to grasp the blood-and-the-sap of true life without ever catching up with it. But here in life, in what for Plato was the play of shadows on the walls of the cave, genuine reality is pulsating; and the rest are derivatives of life, lifeless ghosts, and nothing else. How did this change come about? </blockquote> The fourth appears in the very next paragraph, where Weber begins to answer this last question (i.e. how did this change come about): <blockquote> Plato's passionate enthusiasm in The Republic must, in the last analysis, be explained by the fact that for the first time the concept, one of the great tools of all scientific knowledge, had been consciously discovered. Socrates had discovered it in its bearing. He was not the only man in the world to discover it. In India one finds the beginnings of a logic that is quite similar to that of Aristotle's. But nowhere else do we find this realization of the significance of the concept. In Greece, for the first time, appeared a handy means by which one could put the logical screws upon somebody so that he could not come out without admitting either that he knew nothing or that this and nothing else was truth, the eternal truth that never would vanish as the doings of the blind men vanish. </blockquote> Some might find fascinating that none of these passages have been quoted. Only the first one has shortly mentioned. There ought to be stronger reaction from Popperians. Weber indeed mentions their favorite book.

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by manacker

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I don’t know how to convert bagels into Watts.

Glad to be of help, Reverend.

Recipe for 6 bagels calls for preheating (4000 W oven using upper heat) to 250C and baking for ~20 minutes.

Preheat takes ~10 minutes

30 min * 4000W = 2000 Watt-hours for 6 bagels

1 bagel = 333 Watt-hours.

Let me know anytime that basic math baffles you (always glad to help out a man of the cloth).

Max

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by Steven Mosher

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Hole Kim? what hole? prove there is a hole. have jim cripwell measure it.

off topic

beautiful film below.


Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by captdallas 0.8 or less

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Max, “1 bagel = 333 Watt-hours.”

333 +/- 10 to be fair

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by Steven Mosher

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‘“.. there may be an interesting addition we can make to their data to constrain the estimate even more.” Dude? you mean like quadrants? That’s like mind blowing.”

No extending the record further back in time.

Comment on After Climategate . . . never the same (?) by Pooh, Dixie

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by captdallas 0.8 or less

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So, the combined land and ocean is ready for debut? Did you notice how I used the BEST forcing from a 1985 to 1995 baseline with three sensitivity ranges? 0.8, 1.6 and 3.0 C per doubling. Then just let it flow backwards.

Quadrants though is not a bad idea. You get to compare zonal and meridional variability plus dig out a longer term secular trend if you are of such a mind.

Comment on Climate Science & Sociology by Chief Hydrologist

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Your insults are juvenile and your science is about the same level of sophistication.

Comment on Climate Science & Sociology by Steven Mosher

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by pokerguy

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…”see if you can answer the question…”

Hi Josh…See here we are again, this is not a cool guy query, why Don likes to hump your leg. Lots of people like to hump your leg, as you put it. It’s actually more the law of the jungle than the playground. Strong dominates weak. Why? Because it can…

But why do you care so much? Don’s tough, but generally fair. And yet you go after J.C. like a rabid dogs at times. Over literally just about nothing. Live by the sword, etc etc…

That’s about it. In a nutshell so to speak. I mean “nutshell.”


Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by Harold

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Max. You’re failing to take the thermostat into account. What percentage of the time is the element on? Probably less than 50.

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by Steven Mosher

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I missed your work sorry. pointer?

oceans has been done for a long time, finishing the write up delays stuff. right now— super high res fields ( both temporal and spatial ) are on the top of the heap

Comment on After Climategate . . . never the same (?) by Pooh, Dixie

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by captdallas 0.8 or less

Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by pokerguy

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Steve Mosher says to the Reverend:” I suppose your comment about people discussing people is not discussing people.”

Ouch. Not pretty Reverend. I almost feel badly for you.

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