Where have all the flowers gone? Through the hole big enough to drive unknown natural forcings through. When will they ever learn?
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Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by kim
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Comment on Impact of climate, population and CO2 on water resources by Steven Mosher
“Coach, maybe it’s just me – but, if you’d just said to the players: “here’s a paper I that think people should read”,
Sadly, I’ve tried that approach and it doesnt work. Since I do this stuff for a living, you’ll have to trust my judgement in how to drive traffic to a piece of information. Thank you for playing.
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people would likely understand your intentional stance (i.e. your “basic point”)
hardly, my goal is not to get them to understand MY STANCE. my goal is to get them to engage in the behavior of reading the paper. In short if they know I want them to read the paper the oppositionally defiant ones wont. Again, my goal is to change their behavior, not their mental state about me.
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“way better than when you said “ECS less than 3.2″ – which is not what the paper asserts – ”
two points.
1. it would not work better to get them to do what I want.
2. the paper does assert that. that and more.
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and cryptic stuff about nails, coffins, bricks, and walls.
Its not cryptic. Its short hand. read harder.
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Comment on Climate Science & Sociology by Chief Hydrologist
Webby cant seem to get that I linked to a number of actual scientific – as opposed to his incompetent blog science – articles which discussed the 20 periodicity in the AMO.
Here’s another – http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2012GL051241.shtml
Dweebboy seems immune to reality.
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Comment on Climate model simulations of the AMO by Ragnaar
stevepostrel:
“In any case, GCMs are better analogized to econometric models than to engineering-physics models, for reasons of observational… …data sources…”
You gave me an idea. Supply and demand curves. Temperature on the Y axis and feedbacks on the X axis. One plots the CO2/water vapor supply curve as assumed. The demand curve is the net of everything else including natural variability.
This is to say that if you isolate CO2 and water vapor as one line, you now have everything else on a different line. The current temperature is just the intersection of the two curves. A starting temperature value might be 14 degrees Celsius and a starting feedback value might be the one that gives us our about plus 33 degrees Celsius of normal greenhouse warming.
The easiest part of the graph is the supply curve. The demand curve is everything else that gives us our current temperature. Let’s say we can’t see that curve as we haven’t figured that part out yet. We can only see its intersection with the supply curve. The demand curve may move, it may change its slope, even reverse its slope. It may be elastic or inelastic or some value in between.
The more certain one is about the CO2/water vapor supply curve, the stronger the model becomes I think. What have I missed? Accountants should not attempt some things, I know that.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by DocMartyn
Fan, the globe is cooling and will continue to cool.
You are left with rising sea levels and going back further and further in time to push our Thermogeddonist creed.
http://forum.wetteronline.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=92023
Nature not only can’t be fooled, nor in the long term will science be. However, the whole cAGW will be taught in philosophy of science class as a classic example of intellectual arrogance, hubris and deliberate perversion of the scientific method, Aristotelian philosophy mated with computing brute force that only managed to produce ‘very pretty rubbish’.
Watching you flounder in the face of reality and then have reach again for the doubling dice is like watching a drunk taking one more glass saying one more for the road. Next it will be the ‘faint sun paradox’ as proof of CO2 the ELE terror.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by jim2
You left out Lindsey Graham.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by jim2
Cold in the Arctic, cold in Minnesota, cold in Illinois, cold in DC … all this cold is titillating and I’m sure the Katrina/Sandy hysteria club feel like they’ve hit a time warp and gotten slammed into Opposite Day, but we can’t be like them. A cold snap does not an ice age make.
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Comment on So what is the best available scientific evidence, anyways? by Ragnaar
Jim D:
Are you saying the lack of El Ninos can hold back the water vapor? Makes sense to me if the tropical oceans are cooler. Wouldn’t we then decouple water vapor to some extent from CO2 and make it more temperature based?
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Comment on Open thread weekend by kim
Climate weirding, in the narrative, with a malice aforethought.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by kim
The never-ending lesson; when progress is regress, start a war.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by kim
Is it manic, is it panic?
This poor Fanic, is hysteric.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by kim
Well, he, at least, came out of Kerry’s dark climate closet.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by kim
Snap, crackle, pop, Rice Sunspots.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by Bob Droege
But what about GRACE, that’s a satellite last I checked. It has measured the acceleration of mass loss from the antarctic and greenland ice sheets.
Acceleration means non-linear, right?
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Comment on Open thread weekend by Bob Droege
65 million years ago, 55 million years ago, sometimes I get my extinction events mixed up, it could happen to anybody.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by Harold
Fanny, there’s something downright unhealthy about your crush on Hansen. Is there anything you’d like to announce in that regard?
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Comment on Open thread weekend by Herman Alexander Pope
John Carpenter: your admiration of Hansen is acknowledged.
His Failed Forecasts for decades do not impress me much.
if this is your hero, you don’t really have much.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by Harold
Do I want to know what those “Hanson-style thermometric methods” are, Fanny? Have I witnessed them in a veterinarian’s office?
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Comment on So what is the best available scientific evidence, anyways? by Ragnaar
captdallas 0.8 or less:
Now I am seeing this as an accounting problem. I haven’t quite captured the energy budget diagram though I’ve spent a lot time looking at it and trying to get the numbers to balance. That diagram is a profit and loss statement. The currency is Watts I think. It seems to omit the oceans to an extent. Which weakens it as far as completeness goes.
A profit and loss statement captures everything material. Did we forget something we ask? If we look at a balance sheet I’d want to include the oceans. The Watts have to be somewhere and if they move between the oceans and the atmosphere, that’s not new Watts, it’s a sideways transfer. From a CD to to a money market account. But it is not income.
We are so far from following the money. I’d guess the accounting data is incredibly weak.
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Comment on Open thread weekend by Peter Davies
Richard, You have made your point and have taken your leave so I don’t expect that you will read this, but for the others who contribute without much recognition or appreciation from the silent majority either, I urge you to keep going because I , for one read them all and I enjoy the diversity of views.
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