Comments for Climate Etc.

Wow capt.
It looks like you have a testable hypothesis.
I need to finish this data for our fall submission. Then ill go get your data ready.

Not only SST, a pattern in the Earth’s surface temperature record. So, it’s global multidecadal oscillation.

I was reading 10 top investing tips yesterday. One was to use new chart tricks because everyone already knows the old ones.

The lack of warming and clouds ain’t good enough for you?

‘Unlike El Niño and La Niña, which may occur every 3 to 7 years and last from 6 to 18 months, the PDO can remain in the same phase for 20 to 30 years. The shift in the PDO can have significant implications for global climate, affecting Pacific and Atlantic hurricane activity, droughts and flooding around the Pacific basin, the productivity of marine ecosystems, and global land temperature patterns. This multi-year Pacific Decadal Oscillation ‘cool’ trend can intensify La Niña or diminish El Niño impacts around the Pacific basin,” said Bill Patzert, an oceanographer and climatologist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. “The persistence of this large-scale pattern [in 2008] tells us there is much more than an isolated La Niña occurring in the Pacific Ocean.”

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=8703

The fact that we are in a cool decadal mode and clouds and temperature are doing exactly as hypothesized not good enough? You are a waste of time nincompoop Max.

Willard seems to be in a race to the bottom when it comes to relevance.

Hank,

while I don’t expect anyone to answer the questions you posed, your comment remains one of the best in this thread

Certainly a talking donkey might not agree.

Bart,

come to the PNW.

you will find the evidence indicates the sky is grey.

I don’t suppose it would do any good to point out that Max More’s definition of the Precautionary Principle has next to no resemblance to the real thing.. and that his Proactionary Principle is almost exactly what the actual Precautionary Principle sets out?

Judith,

Evidence a donkey can talk is not proof it can read.

“The EPA, IRS and Treasury are not political tools, they are supposed to be the best of the best.”
Really, I thought they had to merely avoid being drunkards.

When have they ever been more than competent, rather the best?
Or such extremity as “the best of the best”.
I believe the best of the best of government is when corruption isn’t completely running amuck.
Obviously, Obama administration need not worry about being the best of the best. Did anyone, at any time, imagine it might be?

@Mosher
How about getting a weather app for your smartphone and looking at the temperatures reported in a major city and the surrounding area. If you’re unsure which city to use, use Cleveland.
Because almost every evening I can see a different temperature for stations 10-20-30 miles apart.
Also, you can ride a motorcycle from a city to a rural area and go from warm air to almost cold in a few miles.

I don’t believe fan cares if the links he posts support his points.

That doesn’t mean he doesn’t read them.

Tom

given the advances in genetic engineering, there is at least some possibility that given enough bumblebee and humming bird wings, a pig might fly.

I did some checking after this first came out.

The basis for the report being “discredited” was pretty weak. The people discrediting it all had motives that which placed their credibility into question.

This bit about the Proactionary Principle:

“By contrast, the Proactionary Principle urges all parties to actively take into account all the consequences of an activity…”

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Ha! If only that were even remotely possible! Given the nature of the complex chaotic system we find ourselves in, aka the actual universe we inhabit, we might be able to, for very very short periods of time take into account a handful of the consequences of any activity, but over any meaningful periods of time, the consequences quickly spread out in vast unpredictable chaos. In short, you can’t possibly take into account all the consequences of an activity. The best you can do is recognize that complex systems co-evolve over vast periods of time to reach some measure of relative stability, and any major nudge to these systems is likely to cause the sorts of mass extinctions such as we are witnessing right now as ecosystems are put under major stress. This stress is an inevitable result of the dominance of one species on the planet. The Proactionary Principle assumes (incorrectly) that the best course forward is to focus on the betterment of existence for that species, when in fact, a more wholistic approach would be stewardship for the betterment of all species, perhaps even necessitating the control of human population to within the carrying capacity of Earth’s resources.

Keep showing your ass Michael.

Makes you such a credible commentator.

We had a term for bologna that was not meant for polite company.

Can I call baloney on a donkey who is a dick?

Mosher,

your arguments are lost on fan.

but some of us enjoy them any way

timg56, It doesn’t sound like there would be much bacon though.

I continue to be amazed how people either forget or fail to understand the reality of the US having been involved in a 10 year war with Iraq prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom.

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