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Comment on True courage(?) by DocMartyn

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Steve did you know that Grant Foster is a ‘skeptic’?

In Environ. Res. Lett. 7 (2012) 044035 (5pp)

Comparing climate projections to observations up to 2011

Stefan Rahmstorf,Grant Foster and Anny Cazenave

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/4/044035/pdf/1748-9326_7_4_044035.pdf

The authors state that, in line with IPCC projections, the temperature between 1990–2011 rose 0.3 degrees. Keeling has a change in CO2 from 354.3 to 391.6 during the period.
Thus, the value for 2xCO2 induced climate sensitivity is 2.1 degrees.


Comment on True courage(?) by Steven Mosher

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1. Most skeptics, not including myself, accept that the modern temp records are in the ball park, but find problems with the models and adjustments, or lack thereof. There is no uniformity. (I think you all don’t have a clue what the GAT is to within a couple tenths of a degree.)

Agreed.

2. Most skeptics also agree that, all other things being equal, CO2 would cause warming, but disagree on whether it has, the degree, the danger, etc. There is again no uniformity.

Agreed

3. I would guess that most skeptics think the Mann hockey sticks suck. But then, a lot of consensus types do too. Paleo-climate in particular being even less precise than modern temp records.

Agreed

4. Well, if anyone thinks the GCMs are accurate or precise enough, they probably have to accept their output. Which would leave out any skeptics I know. This is probably the closest one can get to a “consensus” on the skeptic side.

Agreed

5. Carbon taxes, well McKitrick and a number of others have proposed such taxes, but usually as an antidote to the more onerous taxes proposed by your tribe. No uniformity there either.

Agreed.

Hey I’m a skeptic

Comment on True courage(?) by kim

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Pick a sensitivity where ‘benign’ ends and then calculate how much colder we would now be without the warming effect of AnthroGHGs.
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Comment on True courage(?) by Steven Mosher

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1. The current temp record proves we need to decarbonize.
disagree
2. CO2 causes dangerous, I mean catastrophic, no, I mean apocalyptic warming.
disagree
3. Paleo-climate may have issues, but proves we are experiencing unprecedented warming.
disagree
4. GCMs are the bomb. Sign up for cap and trade, massive taxes and decarbonization in general now.
disagree
5. Carbon taxes are one way to decarbonize, but anything that strangles the energy economy will suffice.
disagree

Looks like I aint a warmist

Comment on True courage(?) by DocMartyn

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We have human and personal history to guide us; would I be ashamed if everyone I know and love knew I was doing this?

Comment on True courage(?) by David in Cal

Comment on True courage(?) by GaryM

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Steve Mosher, Vicar of the Congregation of the Faith – Model Division, Protector of the BEST Temperature Record Around, and Acolyte of the Progressive Palace Guard, now disdains climate models, the temp records, and government.regulation of the energy economy.

Of course, since Mosher can’t settle on a definition of the word “measure” (let alone words like “precise enough”), I suspect we are seeing less of a coming out than it would appear.

Yes, Mosher is a good candidate for mediation. As long as by mediation you don’t mean – mediation.

Comment on True courage(?) by Hans Erren

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wrong!
Courage is not giving in when you know you are right.
Courage is swimming against the avalanche of peer pressure.
Courage is standing up against the abusers of science.
Courage in climate science means risking your job and your mortgage payments.

There is far to little courage in climate science: “I’ll better hold my head down so I’ll keep my grant money. “


Comment on Open thread weekend by jim2

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The Environmental Protection Agency will move ahead Friday with a rule requiring cleaner gasoline and lower-pollution vehicles nationwide, amounting to one of President Obama’s most significant air pollution initiatives, according to people briefed on the decision.

The proposed standards would add less than a penny a gallon to the cost of gasoline while delivering an environmental benefit akin to taking 33 million cars off the road, according to a senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the announcement had not been made yet.

Oil industry officials, however, said the cost would be at least double the administration’s estimate and could add up to 9 cents a gallon in some places.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/politics/38093462_1_gasoline-sulfur-obama-administration-u-s-gasoline

Comment on Open thread weekend by jim2

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Jumping Jimmy Carter! With a crucial mid-term election in 2014, the last thing that President Obama and his Democratic Party would wish for is long car lines at gasoline stations or substantially higher prices at the pump. That is what the oil industry is forecasting if the Environmental Protection Agency doesn’t roll back mandates for renewable-fuel use.

Although it’s Obama’s problem now, President Bush and the Congress passed a measure in 2007 that tried to address worries about domestic oil supplies and the country’s energy independence. Their solution was to boost the required amount of renewable energy sources like biofuels that refiners and wholesalers blended into traditional fuel supplies. The goal was to meet an ambitious target of 36 billion gallons of blended biofuel by 2022.

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424052748704755304578623741022932814.html

Comment on Open thread weekend by WebHubTelescope (@WHUT)

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<blockquote>" Chief Hydrologist | September 7, 2013 at 4:59 pm | I’ve been reading the Mumford paper – and you are a donkey’s ass. The latter is a Bayesian posterior. "</blockquote> You don't even know what that means. Poseur.

Comment on Big green in denial by Faustino

Comment on Open thread weekend by Jim D

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captd, I missed the part where we switched from climate to weather. The ocean fixes the mean RH of the atmosphere in climate, unless the land is warming really rapidly, which I didn’t think you believed. If your whole argument is based on weather, I give up. It is not what this debate was about from my perspective, and we were completely at cross purposes.

Comment on Big green in denial by R. Gates aka Skeptical Warmist

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Good post Judith. You need to make one small typo correction though:

“‘‘Pure environmentalism’ seems to be a very big enemy of actually making progress on reducing CO2 emissions through its opposition to nuclear energy, tracking, and even through its opposition to a short term focus on methane and soot.”

I think you meant “fracking” not “tracking”.

Overall, Naomi is spot on. Environmentalism will mean something quite different a generation from now.

Comment on Open thread weekend by Chief Hydrologist

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Jim – the relevant metric is the extra energy retained in the atmosphere by extra greenhouse gases. It is in a higher energy state with extra CO2 as solar energy continues to move through the system. The question is – did the atmosphere warm or cool to the higher energy state? It is an excruciating simple idea. Gases are emitted at high temperature and cool.


Comment on Big green in denial by Faustino

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“Mocktonism”? Kim embraced that long ago, as frequently manifested on CE. Keep on mocking, Kim, don’t stop the word music.

Comment on Open thread weekend by gbaikie

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One more reason to defund the EPA.

Comment on Open thread weekend by Greybeard

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Web seems to think that by quoting his conspiracy comment, showing him to be crying “conspiracy theorist” like a naive cagw truebeliever, I am somehow projecting. The man sure knows how to wriggle.

Comment on Open thread weekend by Chief Hydrologist

Comment on Big green in denial by Faustino

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I’m far from a Klein fan, but she’s made some good points in the head-post quotes. Not yet evidence of spot-changing, but encouraging none-the-less. If Klein can see the (green-clouded) light, perhaps others might too.

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