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Comment on Masters(?) of many trades by ordvic

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This guy seemed to master several trades (until he got caught):

EPA climate expert who pretended to work for the CIA was ‘enabled’ by top officials
The Environmental Protection Agency’s highest-paid employee and top expert on climate change was enabled by top agency officials in committing fraud to avoid doing his real job for years, according to the agency’s inspector general.

John Beale pretended to work as an undercover agent for the CIA, and federal prosecutors are saying he committed a “crime of massive proportions.”
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2013/12/16/epa-climate-expert-who-pretended-to-work-for-the-cia-was-enabled-by-top-officials/?mod=MW_latest_news


Comment on Masters(?) of many trades by David Wojick

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This is somewhat off topic, or maybe not, but the US Feds request comments on how to calculate the social cost of carbon, for regulatory impact estimating:

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/26/2013-28242/technical-support-document-technical-update-of-the-social-cost-of-carbon-for-regulatory-impact

Comments can simply be sent to SCC@omb.gov. This is the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) in OMB, which I helped set up in 1981. These folks used to be pretty open minded.

Comment on Masters(?) of many trades by Matthew R Marler

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It’s another problem with a “Goldilocks” solution: enough specialization to achieve proficiency at important tasks, enough general awareness and knowledge to know what tasks to choose and when to persevere, and to communicate effectively with teammates of other specialties. Either too much specialization or too much generalization is detrimental.

Art history and Chinese history are deep and meaningful subjects, but I doubt that climate science would benefit from climate scientists studying more of them. Superficial forays into psychology (“projection”, “Dunning-Krueger syndrom”) and literature (“The Lord of the Flies”) are detrimental to learning and communication on this blog, imho, whereas references to nonlinear dynamical systems and non-equilibrium thermodynamics are pertinent. I expect other readers and writers could provide their own lists of bad and good examples.

Comment on Week in review by jim2

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lolwot | December 15, 2013 at 7:15 am said:
“It must be particularly irksome for some that the president is black.”

It is extremely irksome that the President isn’t Allen West or Herman Cain.

Comment on Week in review by jim2

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Looks like they are requesting comments on what the SSC should be, not IF the science is good enough to implement some penalty for CO2 emmissions. Kind of like when the Democrats ask Republicans how THEY would socialize heath care. Wrong question.

Comment on On the role of trust in climate communication by league of legends lol riot points generator 2013

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Comment on Masters(?) of many trades by Chief Hydrologist

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Thanks everyone – no hard feelings gatesy.

I note in passing that the usual suspects pretty much insist on trivial ad hom at any opportunity.

Comment on Masters(?) of many trades by lolwot

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Bottom line,

Climate Science requires an expertise in climate. That is all really.

Lets take possibly the most famous Climate Scientist in history, Dr James Hansen. Dr James Hansen trained in Physics and Astronomy and gained several degrees in those subjects. From planetary research he eventually amassed a wealth of knowledge relevant to the climate of the Earth itself, and the rest as they say is history.

Whichever way you come at it, I think we can all agree that expertise in climate is the one essential ingredient to being a Climate Scientist!


Comment on The blogosphere and thought leaders by Joshua

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Please keep your comments on topic.

Yes, like jim2, Wags, and GaryM – who regularly write comments that are purely political in nature.

For some reason, Judith deleted this comment previously.

Perhaps she thinks it is illegitimate to point that her determination of what is and isn’t “on topic” might be capricious or arbitrary?

Comment on The blogosphere and thought leaders by Joshua

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Judith –

You deleted my comment that spoke to GaryM’s selective standards for backing assertions up with data.

That would suggest a selective standard on your part. It is perhaps telling that you think it’s just fine for GaryM to regularly impugn the morality and integrity of hundreds of millions (billions?) of people, but it violates blog rules for me to question whether he applies his standards selectively.

Perhaps, eh?

Comment on Week in review by kim

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This, though, is an ag subsidy of a different color.
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Comment on The blogosphere and thought leaders by philjourdan

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Coming into this debate from the economics side, and having no respect for Krugman whatsoever, I found his statement most amusing:

Of course most of the people on the losing side of these debates

He should know about the losing side of the debate. In economics there are differences of opinion. Somethings can be settled with quantitative analysis, but as Economics is a hybrid science consisting of part social science, and part hard science, most items are never ‘settled’, and hence there really is no losing side. Just differences of opinion, on how people react given certain economic realities. But like the Dana Nuccitellis of the world, Krugman long ago stopped learning and so feels he is always right. Everything is pigeon holed into his way or the wrong way. And thus even when virtually no economists “lose” the debate, he constantly does. Why? because he no longer understands economics. Only his ego.

I find Brooks’ analysis of the thought leaders to be somewhat optimistic. If only they did retire to anonymity. Instead, most are usually perfect examples of the Peter Principal. Not that they ever were promoted out of competency, only that their BS got them promoted to a level of relevancy where their lack of knowledge assets are readily apparent to critical thinkers, but alas too few critical thinkers exist (or at least use the skill on a daily basis). I point you to Larry Summers as a perfect example of Brooks thesis. He is only gone now because his ego surpassed his common sense. Gone, but just barely. Even when these “thought leaders” are shown to be naked as jay birds prancing around in their pretend clothes, the PC crowd covers for them as they were “once relevant”. Kind of like how NOW covers for Clinton, even though he did more damage to their stated cause than any horde of Conservatives ever could.

Comment on The blogosphere and thought leaders by jakehearts the accountant

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FWIW – I just tried to reply on an article on the Huffington Post. They state the November temps are the highest since 1880. I countered, saying the UAH satellite records show this November to be the 8th warmest since the beginning of the satellite era in 1978. The mod response was “Due to the politically sensitive nature of your comments, your post is being moderated” My post never got through.

Comment on The blogosphere and thought leaders by jim2

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Is Al Gore a “thought leader?”


Comment on The blogosphere and thought leaders by omanuel

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“This decentralization of intellectual authority is overall a good thing, . . .” because loss of integrity in government science resulted from loss of integrity in constitutional government.

Instead of reaping benefits from the last paragraph of Aston’s 1922 Nobel Lecture on a new “power beyond the dreams of scientific fiction,”

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1922/

Nuclear and solar physics were compromised and the survival of mankind put at risk in a futile effort to save the world from nuclear annihilation after WWII.

Comment on Week in review by phatboy

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R Gates, the not-very-sceptical warmist

Comment on Data corruption by running mean ‘smoothers’ by Greg

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Richard, I have neither the time nor the inclination to try to reproduce their model or try to find sources for their data which is not clearly sourced.

It was an observation on their method, that is not of earth shattering importance. You are free to try to investigate that if it interests you.

I did not sidestep, neither did I suggest that there is a longer term linear rise in SST or anything else. Please (again) take more care to read what is said. It is a technique that is necessary in order to do FA, it is not suggesting that the trend is can or should be extrapolated outside the data period. In the same way FA does not guarantee that the 65y periodicity exists beyond the data.

The longer land data also end up a bit higher too.so will have a “trend” but less then if you start in 1850. Neither will be a valid for assumptions beyond the data.

Comment on How far should we trust models? by Quondam

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Pekka,

Thank you for taking time to check out Chapter V. The subject of this thread is trust in models. I certainly agree that GCMs are not Navier-Stokes solutions – it’s not really clear what they are solutions to. While they may start with some fundamental conservation expressions, embedded in the text are little tweaks of questionable provenance (Hansen, 1983). NS is often implied to be the path to understanding climate, but I take exception. The atmosphere is not in equilibrium, at best we can approximate it as a steady state and, in my mind, its essential characteristic is the constant work required to keep it so. NS implies this work can be expressed through a linear viscosity tensor and material flux between boundaries. V shows that NS requires an addition thermal term when thermal gradients occur and the viscous term becomes of minor import (Eq. 56.4), with the steady state maintained by an energy flux between boundaries – a physically quite different process. In either case, linear dissipation is assumed. While that may be a useful assumption for isothermal forced convection, it bears no relevance for free convection in the troposphere.

“A very curious case of convection is the flow which occurs in a fluid between two infinite horizontal planes at two different temperatures, that of the lower plane being greater than that of the upper plane.”

Should I have any trust in an NS model of the troposphere? Let me count the ways.

Comment on The blogosphere and thought leaders by DocMartyn

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or you could use

Paul ‘Enron’ Krugman

In 1999 Paul Krugman was paid $50,000 by Enron as a consultant on its “advisory board”
Coincidentally, in 1999, Paul Krugman wrote this article for Fortune magazine which he contrasted old corporations with young, dynamic ones; like Enron.

http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/eman.html

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