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Comment on Lennart Bengtsson speaks out by Mike Flynn

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George Turner,

You obviously don’t understand. Warmist heat is trapped, accumulated and stored without actually having any sensible effect in both meanings of the word. It creates no increase in temperature, and is radiated not at all. A fifth form of matter, something like anti phlogiston, I would surmise.

I don’t think the Warmists accept that the missing heat is really trapped in the luminiferous aether, in the form of caloric, and is caught in a zero point energy warp of strange and intricate design. As you say, Warmists need to be afraid, very afraid, when the hidden heat slithers into the atmosphere, and fries us all. I intend to wear a tinfoil hat to deflect the down welling long wave infrared caloric rays into my kettle to boil water for a fresh pot of tea.

And you, good sirrah?

Live well and prosper,

Mike Flynn.


Comment on The inconvenient Southern Hemisphere by WebHubTelescope (@WHUT)

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The ENSO phenomena contributes to the pause by compensating the global warming during La Nina conditions. See the CSALT model where the motto is The Cause of the Pause is due to thermodynamic Laws.

… and you really have to ask me what it is like to have found the keys to the kingdom when it concerns being able to accurately model ENSO based on the Earth’s rotation data:
http://contextearth.com/2014/05/02/the-soim-substantiating-the-chandler-wobble-and-tidal-connection-to-enso/

Way beyond the 3-point arc. Swish.

Comment on IPCC TAR and the hockey stick by Terry Krieg

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Geez Bart R,
You’ve certainly got the propensity to give the lemon a good old suck before you hit the keyboard. You are clearly way behind the times when you talk about your contact with those who were involved in the clean up etc of Chernobyl, TMI and Fukushima. You really should check my four Ockhams Razor talks, which among other things demonstrate, according to the latest report from UNSCEAR [2012] that radiation doses to people in the fall-out zone at Chernobyl varied between 0.7 and 3.2 mSv per year, both well below background radiation in many parts of the world. The report said that in retrospect,there was no need to relocate the 116,000 who suffered that fate. Time to catch up Bart. Have you ever visited a nuclear power station, stood in front of an open reactor ready for recharge, peered into spent fuel cooling ponds, visited the nuclear research station at Chalk River [Ontario], gone down a uranium mine and been given a sample bag of yellowcake, taken a group of 40 year 12 students underground at Olympic Dam, visited Lucas Heights in Sydney, spent 16 continuous years studying the world nuclear power generating industry, made any attempt to educate the public about the truth about nuclear power? NO? Well I have Bart and that’s why I’m a fan of nuclear power and why I’m now in my 17th year of promoting it to Australians,both general public and politicians. I’ve found that those with an open mind can be persuaded to accept nuclear as an important part of our energy future. At 76 Bart, I’m still at it and won’t be stopping any time soon.
I reckon my nuclear credentials will stand up against yours any day.

Cheers Bart

Terry

Comment on Lennart Bengtsson speaks out by Michael

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“My interest in climate science is strictly scientific and I very much regret the politicisation that has taken place in climate research” – LB
….so let me join and publicise my involvement with a highly politicised PR group.

Makes sense.

Comment on Lennart Bengtsson speaks out by fizzymagic

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Eric, there is a psychological term for what you have done here. It’s called “projection.” Look it up.

Comment on Lennart Bengtsson speaks out by George Turner

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AFOMD, I see you too sat through that seminar on fairness at Bronycon 2013 in Baltimore. I was in the back row on my iPhone selling some oil exploration stocks to finance the acquisition of a substantial share in an Israeli anti-missile startup, which I’ve since sold to move into pharmaceuticals in an effort to diversify my portfolio. I would suggest you do something similar, perhaps selling some of your My Little Pony collection to buy some Pound Puppies and Care Bears.

Comment on Lennart Bengtsson speaks out by Herman Alexander Pope

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CO2 is a greenhouse gas. it is a trace gas. man-made CO2 is a fraction of a trace gas. This is not regulating earth temperature.

Water, in all of its states, is abundant and Water regulates the earth temperature.

Comment on IPCC TAR and the hockey stick by Peter Lang

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Terry thank you for that. Very clearly stated.

Regarding your comment:

according to the latest report from UNSCEAR [2012] that radiation doses to people in the fall-out zone at Chernobyl varied between 0.7 and 3.2 mSv per year, both well below background radiation in many parts of the world. The report said that in retrospect,there was no need to relocate the 116,000 who suffered that fate.

You, Terry, and Bart R might find this recently published, short pamphlet of interest:
http://home.comcast.net/~robert.hargraves/public_html/RadiationSafety26SixPage.pdf


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Comment on Profits(?) of doom by Jim Zuccaro

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(this is from memory only) T Boone Pickens plan was to build wind farms in Texas for the base-load electrical energy requirements, and ‘save’ the methane gas reserves for mobile fuel. That is, a natural gas powered national trucking fleet.

All he wanted/needed from the US Federal Gov was $1.4 or $4 or $14 billion in a ‘onetime only’ expenditure, or gift, to make the plan work.

Comment on Lennart Bengtsson speaks out by Faustino

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Apart from that, anxiety is a reaction of the individual. You can not eliminate external triggers to anxiety, you can only control your reactions. If those involved are generally concerned with “Youth’s” well-being, they would focus on helping them to eschew harmful reactions. But if they knew how to do that, they wouldn’t be behaving as described.

Comment on Profits(?) of doom by Jim Zuccaro

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FOMD,

Judith Curry did not write about tobacco or carbon. Your quote above is deceptive and misleading. It is not necessary to mis-represent the words of other people.

Comment on Profits(?) of doom by Scottish Sceptic

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A long time ago, before I was moved to look at the evidence on CO2 myself I was a member of the Scottish Parliament Renewable Energy Group. It was run by a few businessmen who were very keen on wind. They controlled the parliamentary group and pushed the issue very hard and I assumed it was principle first and profit second until I spoke to a newcomer one day.

It was still well before much action was seen on the ground and I asked them how they were getting on with securing sites for windmills. They said “not very well. Almost every single site in Scotland has already been bought up by one of the people running the Scottish Parliamentary group”.

In other words, it was all to do with profit. The naive gullible politicians (and even those like me) were just pawns in a huge money making scheme. That was about 13 years ago. Even a single person speaking up should have been enough for even the dumbest politician and civil servant to wake up and smell the con.

But no! The wind profiteers still pour their poison into the ears of the numpties running Scotland and no doubt the con men who started this scam now have 100s of millions of ordinary people’s money in their pocket now – ready to fund the next rip-off scare.

Comment on Lennart Bengtsson speaks out by Generalissimo Skippy

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Massively changing global ecologies and the atmosphere might like trephination do no great long term harm – but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it as economies ramp up emissions from 4% to 8%, 16%, etc. this century. The central fact of chaos is that small changes drive large responses in what has been relatively balmy conditions for the past few thousand years. Any change whatsoever – warm or cool – seems quite likely to be sub-optimal.
Ready to roll the dice – or is that just too stupid to contemplate?

Not when there are much more sensible ways to go.

What is actually happening with the Earth system?

http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/vonSchuckmannampLTroan2011-fig5PG_zpsee63b772.jpg.html?sort=3&o=126

Some warming and cooling – with large TOA flux changes due to ocean and atmosphere circulation. A slight trend in ocean heat and steric sea level – which in the following is about middle of the range for ARGO ‘climatologies’ and an increase in salinity. The latter are utterly inconsistent with Jason and GRACE.

http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/vonSchuckmannampLTroan2011-fig5PG_zpsee63b772.jpg.html?sort=3&o=126

The middle of the range is quite consistent with CERES – the much sought after missing energy – which increased modestly in SW over the period.

http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/CERES-BAMS-2008-with-trend-lines1.gif.html?sort=3&o=204

I think we get back to clouds and tropical SST – the equatorial Pacific seems quite likely to cool more as La Nina intensifies over the next decade or so – with global cloud cover negatively correlated with SST. A decadally cooling world at least.

Both sides are busy telling themselves and each other stories – very few bear any relationship to rational enquiry, balanced assessment of data or understanding of relevant scientific theory.

Comment on Profits(?) of doom by Scottish Sceptic

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The best way to make money is to start a “share advice” website. You then just randomly buy shares, then advise people to buy those shares – wait for the price to rise as the numpty readers follow your advice – then you sell – raking in the profit.

To show how “good” your site is, you then publicise all the money you’ve made buying the shares you recommended.

It is really just a way of conning gullible people out of their money – but its all legal – and the best bit is that the gullible people reading your info seriously think you are doing them a favour.

Likewise, when this renewable con comes to an end, it will most likely be because some entrepreneur has realised they can sell short on renewables and make a huge profit as the market collapses.


Comment on IPCC TAR and the hockey stick by Peter Lang

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BartR,

Stupid comment. Not other way to describe it.

Clearly the discussion is about electric power supply to the grid to meet consumer requirements.

Comment on Profits(?) of doom by climatereason

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the comments in the preamble about Greenland fish stocks, disaster tourism and watching glaciers calve has a mirror image from the 1930′s as I noted in a previous article;

‘…This reference by Ahlmann and others concerning the rapidly warming arctic can be picked up on the occasion of a lecture he gave in 1952 as the principal address at the meeting of the Seventeenth International Geographical Congress in Washington, D. C.
. http://archive.org/stream/glaciervariation032833mbp/glaciervariation032833mbp_djvu.txt

It gives an intriguing glimpse of the science at the time, highlighting the warming that was of intense interest to many researchers. Several relevant extracts are given below;

“The thickness of the ice forming annually in the North Polar Sea has diminished from an average of 365 centimeters at the time of Nansen’s Fram expedition of 1893-96 to 218 centimeters during the drift of the Russian icebreaker Sedov in 1937-40. The extent of drift ice in Arctic waters has also diminished considerably in the last decades.”

“ The shipping season in West Spitsbergen has lengthened from three months at the beginning of this century to about seven months at the beginning of the 1940s.”

“ The Northern Sea Route, the North-East Passage, could never have been put into regular usage if the ice conditions in recent years had been as difficult as they were during the first decades of this century.”

“The same influences that have affected the drift ice have affected the animal life of the North Polar Sea. Various kinds of fish, especially cod, have migrated northwards. Now for the first time cod is available to many Greenland Eskimos who previously had to rely on seal for food. In a (1947) speech…the Danish Prime Minister said:
“In the last generation changes that have had a decisive influence on all social life have occurred in Greenland. …These changes are primarily due to two circumstances. Firstly, the Greenland climate has changed, and with it Greenland’s natural and economic prospects…”

“…herring catches off the north coast of Iceland have greatly diminished in the last seven years, possibly because of changes in the sea currents connected with the present climatic fluctuation. Herring has become an open sea fishery; its 1952 season was extended to November instead of ending as usual in August.”

“…the International Council for the Exploration of the Sea adopt(ed) the following resolution at its meeting in Denmark in 1948: “Having considered a number of lectures on climatic fluctuations, the Council recommends that these important and far reaching problems ought to be more closely investigated, and that these investigations might be adequately supported by the Governments in the different countries”
Historic note;

Bob Bartlett on the M.V. Morrissey thrilled our grandparents with his exploits in the melting artic that were shown on pathe news reel.

tonyb

Comment on Profits(?) of doom by mosomoso

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Pssst. Climate change (I use the term in its non-original and meaningless sense, but what the hell) is in fact taken very seriously because George, McKenzie, Elke, Al and Spiegel journalists have indeed found a way to make a living out of it.

As for entrepreneurs, they were warned to keep their green chatter on a purely abstract level. Slowly they’re learning to flog fossil fuels as viable alternatives to…well, to fossil fuels. Nobody made ‘em invest in those ridiculous whirlygigs when the subsidies were fat and dripping juice.

If none of this makes any sense, just READ HARDER till faith enters your heart and you simply believe.

Comment on Profits(?) of doom by Jim Zuccaro

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FMOD

You put your own words within the quotation marks that you put around Judith Curry’s words. That is wrong. Please correct that.

Comment on Profits(?) of doom by beththeserf

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‘The Northern Sea Route, the North-East Passage, could never
have been put into regular usage if the ice conditions had been
as different as they were in the first decades of this century.’

Yer jest can’t fake this sort of observational data, shipping open
or closed fer business, glaciers swallowing farms or retreating …
unlike those model adjustments up there in those cloud towers
by modellers whiling away their goddam tenured hours. Tsk!

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