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Comment on Can we trust climate models? by Tanglewood

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> (Hansen’s) Conclusion Yes, we already have solid reason to trust thermodynamic climate-change models, that have successfully predicted decade-after-decade global-scale ocean heating

An amazing feat, given that there is no data to support this.

> sea-level rise

Which has been rising inline with trends long before the CO2 age

> polar ice-melt

Now reversing, especially in antarctic.

IOW, Hansen’s “conclusions” are just his usual blind, politically-motivated prejudices dressed up as science, repeated here by an even blinder groupie dimwit.


Comment on Can we trust climate models? by Tanglewood

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Jim > Once again you are playing with words,

Mosher > no. you claimed that we have no idea.
Of course we have an idea. I just told you what it was. so obviously some of us have an idea.

Ah, I see the problem here. Mosher (English not his native tongue perhaps?) does not understand the idiom “have an idea”, which of coourse means to have advanced or reliable knowledge. Instead he takes it literally, to mean that he is in possession of a concept of indeterminate rigor.

Comment on Can we trust climate models? by Tanglewood

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> The logic step, seen in countless films describing such situations, calls for assembling a well-funded multi-disciplinary team of independent experts to review the models. Statisticians, software engineers, specialists in the specific physical sciences involved, etc. Open the lid and examine the machinery of the models.

This naively ignores the far bigger issue overshadowing all of this : who would be PAYING these ‘independent’ experts? Once you know that, you will know what their conclusions will be.

Just follow the money.

Comment on Can we trust climate models? by beththeserf

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Create or, er, conjure up climate ‘knowledge?’
Hole lotta pres-tidi-git-ation goin’ on.

Comment on Can we trust climate models? by Tanglewood

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> If Global Warming is a reality, then show me where I can find it.

lolwot > is that like the challenge “show me a monkey turning into a man”?

Phew. lolwot for M~ron of the Decade?
(I suppose really it’s in the “lol” part of his name, I should have known)

Comment on Can we trust climate models? by Tanglewood

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FoMD Prediction > … increasingly fervent conspiracy theories.

These would be the ludicrous conspiracies claming that state-funded climate scientists are not working in the interest of their paymaster, but are instead secretly rebelling and doing honest science.

Comment on Can we trust climate models? by Robert I Ellison

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Then again the actual change from 1944 – prior to decadal cooling – to 2013 is 0.34 degrees C.

Comment on Can we trust climate models? by kim

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Spose he’d convinced himself there?
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Comment on Open thread by kim

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Anaxagoras, or one them other brother Anaxas.
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Comment on Open thread by kim

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Web, one is safe to touch,
the other not so much.
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Comment on Open thread by Wagathon

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The hubris and hypocrisy of global warming alarmists is palpable and that is what Richard Muller, et al., is shining a spotlight on. “Environmentalists who oppose the development of shale gas and fracking,” Muller said of the greenhouse gas fearmongers, “are making a tragic mistake… [and] concerns are either largely false or can be addressed by appropriate regulation… [S]hale gas is a wonderful gift that has arrived just in time. It can not only reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but also reduce a deadly pollution known as PM2.5 that is currently killing over three million people each year, primarily in the developing world.”

Comment on Open thread by Ali Bertarian

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Have any of the IPCC climate models been applied to the temperatures of the last 1000 years to check for the alleged strong correlation between global temperatures and CO2 concentration?

Comment on The sociology of correlation and causation by god michet

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Victoria Beckham said in a recent interview with Allure magazine that
she has a few preferences in life – She doesn’t self-tan, she would rather have sex than sleep and it’s okay if you call her ‘Posh’.
You can receive the next one directly into your email by clicking “SUBSCRIBE” at the top of the page.

To her, giving of herself means that she loves you.

Comment on Open thread by WebHubTelescope (@WHUT)

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Isn’t it neat how dead-on Hansen was in his predictions? He was able to predict the OHC heat sink which would compensate the overall temperature increase. His predictions of 3C for ECS and 2C for TCR are still right on the money — dead-on.

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Comment on Open thread by willard (@nevaudit)

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There is something fundamentally immoral about the way we set our priorities. In 2010, the combined profits of the six leading companies was $35 billions:

http://www.tobaccoatlas.org/industry/tobacco_companies/profits/

Calculations from the Copenhagen Consensus show that the third of it could save almost three million lives each year if directed toward preventing malaria and tuberculosis, and increasing childhood immunization.

Comment on Open thread by Don Monfort

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Hey willy, maybe governments should tax tobacco companies and tobacco users. The money could be efficiently spent on helping people, as the gubmints see fit. But my guess is the tobacco companies and customers would refuse to pay the taxes. They are nasty folks. Not at all progressive.

Comment on Can we trust climate models? by Occam37

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An issue that gets far too little attention is the review of models. Models seem to be considered secret intellectual property of the creators, and therefore not subject to inspection by others. As you point out, climate models are complicated, consisting of many parts (modules, let us call them) that must interact with each other, and which include feedback loops that involve multiple modules. How do we know that the code of these modules accurately represents the “known” physics relevant to the module, that there is not additional code and constants representing “informed guesses” about relevant physics, chemistry, etc., where less than complete science is unable to provide the needed information, how scientific or arbitrary the interconnections between the modules are, and a host of other questions many would like to inspect the modules to determine?

It is close to criminal that large, complex bodies of code, mostly developed with government funds, can remain hidden and unexamined by multiple independent investigators. If we are to make major societal decisions about dealing with AGW based on these models, they deserve to be analyzed in depth by independent reviewers, so that we have some basis for believing they are sound. The model builders themselves should be calling for this, because otherwise if society takes actions based on what the models say, they will be responsible for any erroneous actions society takes.

In my view, any climate model developed with public funding should be made available to anyone willing to spend the effort to examine it.

Comment on Open thread by rmdobservations

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@Ali Bertarian An internet search for "paleoclimate models" brought me to this page: <a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/paleoclimatology-data/datasets/paleoclimatology-modeling" rel="nofollow">Paleoclimatolgy-modeling</a>. An interesting website.

Comment on Can we trust climate models? by Handel

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Fernando Leanme | June 21, 2014 at 5:27 am |
AT THIS TIME the energy imbalance appears to be much lower than predicted by the global climate models.

Only “appears” to be? Do we know what it is or don’t we ?

If we can’t put a reliable figure of watts to this, what answers are models to checked against ?
Even more bascially, how could tell whether or not the energy imbalance moves in line with CO2 levels or not ? (Or, put another way, whether the whole idea of AGW is the serious matter it is being out to be or not).

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