Hi DaveW. I agree. I can see where acceleration in one area, would cause deceleration in another. And that can have a related proportional negative of it’s own. Which could in turn have some positives. But each should be proportionally smaller at least. at least one hopes.?? ?:-)
Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Alistair Riddoch
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Tom Fuller
Well, Gary, I’m a lukewarmer and a leftist. I’ve lived in four different countries on three continents. I’ve done business with some of the largest companies in the world and consulted with governments at national and international level. I think I know something about how part of the world works. I
I know something about what you refer to as decarbonization, having written industry reports on renewable energy and energy efficiency. I don’t think you have the correct opinion on it, or perhaps not a clear understanding of it. However, I have no advice for you, as it is clear that you know everything you want to know.
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Alistair Riddoch
Every assertion is only words :-)
Data on gravity anomalies is from NASA at:
http://geoid.colorado.edu/grace/dataportal.html
it can only be your review, understanding and acceptance of the assertions that can turn the words into anything else, relative to your own beliefs and framework.
Cheers,
Alistair
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Alistair Riddoch
Hey Rob,
Have you considered that by reacting to disbelief in the standard model, you by implication stand behind it, and a belief in the “bending of time” against observation, and the existence of four unique “magical” forces.
It makes me question it.
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Alistair Riddoch
also please note I don”t offer only empty words. I am happy to show gravity interference patterns, and lensing due to gravity, to support alternate, plausible theory. and explanation as to why, as far as I can figure. and supporting material for that. and the effects seem to be real. (gravity interference pattern, relation gravity to magnetism, etc.)
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Alistair Riddoch
Hi again Rob, sorry to seemingly belabour the point…
re: “And climate is ice, dust, cloud, ocean and atmospheric circulation and biology – not gravity. You have got only empty words – mad speculation.”
forgets that 254 degrees kelvin of surface heat budget is internally generated from pressure, friction, and radioactive decay.
everything else put together is another 33 degrees.
the effect of gravity and magnetism has a HIGH likelihood of making a LARGE difference, whether anyone sees it, or not.
Without willingness to investigate that suggestion, what would we actually be discussing??
hmmmm.
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Alistair Riddoch
there aren’t too many substitutes for a few trips around the block ?;-)
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Alistair Riddoch
I’ve read that Canada is the world’s 6th largest petroleum producer, and there are only 30,000,000 of us, and the sheiks with all those gold plated rolls don’t seem to have too tough a life.
the current direction of the value and cost of fossil fuels saddens me deeply.
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by Alistair Riddoch
what will they do, when they realize they cannot “un-elect” a prince, for his hand in affairs, the way presidents can get “put to pasture” for their sins.
pity. (you gotta say it like the “only in Canada” commercials from Salada.
Beth The Serf, you put good food on the table.
?:-)
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Comment on Understanding adjustments to temperature data by jrlagoni
Hey, Wagathon, we probably agree on a lot. However, I don’t need instruction in Political Science 101 at this stage in my life on a science thread.
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Comment on ‘Scientist’: the evolving story of a word by popesclimatetheory
The massive fossil fuel use at the heart of the global energy system deeply disrupts the Earth’s climate and acidifies the world’s oceans. The warming and associated extreme weather will reach unprecedented levels in our children’s life times and 40% of the world’s poor, who have a minimal role in generating global pollution, are likely to suffer the most. Industrial-scale agricultural practices are transforming landscapes around the world, disrupting ecosystems and threatening the diversity and survival of species on a planetary scale.
Actual data shows that all the climate models are wrong. Actual data shows that all this alarmist, chicken little, talk is not based on actual data and not based on actual science. When the Models are always wrong, the Theory is always wrong. Find some real data to support the flawed forecasts or be prepared to be proven wrong by actual real data. You have nothing working for you.
Your Alarmist theory and model output has no chance. I has been proven to be wrong. Actual Data does that!
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Comment on ‘Scientist’: the evolving story of a word by David Springer
What happened to the climate science profession is the internet exposed it to polymaths like me who point out the flaws and brother the flaws are legion.
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Comment on ‘Scientist’: the evolving story of a word by beththeserf
Surely You’re Joking Mr Feynman?
http://www.chem.fsu.edu/chemlab/isc3523c/feyn_surely.pdf
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Comment on ‘Scientist’: the evolving story of a word by A fan of *MORE* discourse
From Roger Pielke Jr’s respectful tribute “James Hansen: Responsible Scientist and Advocate “
Roger Pielke Jr’s (concludes) “James Hansen shows respect for both democratic practices and for the role of science in democracy.Best wishes to Jim Hansen as he takes on new challenges!
Conclusion Climate Etc readers can take a lesson in civility and respect-for-science from *BOTH* James Hansen *AND* Roger Pielke Jr!
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Comment on ‘Scientist’: the evolving story of a word by David Springer
Good, David. Christianity and scientific professionalism and achievement are far, far away from mutually exclusive. To the religious person science is the study of God’s creation. To the non-religious person it’s the study of a material universe of unknown origin. In either case the object under study is the same object and its observable components do not change.
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Comment on ‘Scientist’: the evolving story of a word by David Springer
Engineers typically don’t have graduate degrees. More work training and less classroom training. Engineers tend to be employed in private industry while applied scientists tend to be employed in academia. Just my personal impression from a few decades chained to a lab bench slaving away in places like Intel, Microsoft, and Dell.
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Comment on ‘Scientist’: the evolving story of a word by Wagathon
<blockquote>Now what in the world has such a philosophy [i.e. Schopenhauer's] to do with that alma mater, the good, substantial university philosophy, which, burdened with a hundred intentions and a thousand considerations, proceeds on its course cautiously tacking, since at all times it has before its eyes the fear of the Lord, the will of the publisher, the encouragement of students, the goodwill of colleagues, the course of current politics, the momentary tendency of the public, and Heaven knows what else? Or what has my silent and serious search for truth in common with the yelling school disputations of the chairs and benches, whose most secret motives are always personal aims?” ~Arthur Schopenhauer (the Professors of Philosophy)</blockquote>
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Comment on Disentangling forced from intrinsic climate variability by Ragnaar
John S. | July 15, 2014 at 10:12 pm |
I think the mathematician is exploring a concept while climate scientists are trying to explore that concept as well.
Here’s an interesting paper mentioning wave-like structures:
“We propose a method to reconstruct and analyze a complex network from data
generated by a spatio-temporal dynamical system, relying on the nonlinear mutual information of time series analysis and betweenness centrality of the complex network theory. We show that this approach reveals a rich internal structure in complex climate networks constructed from reanalysis and model surface air temperature data. Our novel method uncovers peculiar wave-like structures of high-energy flow, that we relate to global surface ocean currents. This points to a major role of the oceanic surface circulation in coupling and stabilizing the global temperature field in the
long-term mean…”
https://www.pik-potsdam.de/members/donges/publications/the-backbone-of-the-climate-network
I think these types of studies have a triple benefit for climate scientists. It might explain the climate, it might get the science unstuck from the limits of reductionism, and there may be spin off benefits for other fields.
I do think Tsonis et al 2007 was wonderful, that’s no secret. It’s been cited about 140 times: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?rlz=1C1OPRA_enUS592US592&es_sm=122&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.71126742,d.aWw,pv.xjs.s.en_US.JBeEmV5xQY4.O&biw=1280&bih=923&um=1&ie=UTF-8&lr=&cites=11310475724231287986
With the physical processes, do we agree that, “Thus, the polarity of the North Atlantic Ocean temperatures strongly influences winter inventory of sea ice. Sea ice inventory regulates escape of ocean heat, which exerts dominant influence on wintertime Arctic surface temperatures, and by extension, on the polar-equatorial temperature gradient (PETG). In turn, the PETG dictates equator-to-pole transport of heat, converting the initial ocean signal-polarity to the oppositely signed atmospheric signature.”
- Wyatt
Which to me means that a warm North Atlantic melts ice and causes lower atmospheric temperatures. This particular sea ice is in a key area and has some resilience. It also has a network characteristic of being either off or on.
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Comment on Disentangling forced from intrinsic climate variability by Ragnaar
I am glad I had a chance to try to figure out how it might work. Here’s another paper looking at Synchronization:
Synchronization of polar climate variability over the last ice age: In search of simple rules at the heart of climate’s complexity
“I propose that the simplest explanation of the data is that the paleoclimate oscillations of the Polar Regions are synchronized. To represent polar climate variability I borrow from the work of climatologist Barry Saltzman, who three decades ago showed how climate oscillations of polar temperatures may be explained by the nonlinear interaction between just two variables: sea ice extent and mean ocean temperature. Saltzman’s model explains that mean ocean temperature begins to increase when sea ice reaches its maximum extent. This is because sea ice is a very effective heat insulator, while a large portion of the ocean is still receiving solar heat.”
“…the clocks, coupled by the weak elastic forces along the wall on which they hung, always became synchronized, no matter how different their starting conditions, and so long as their natural frequencies were not too different. Through the slight motions induced on the wall each clock gently forced the other, speeding it up or slowing it down until synchrony was attained.”
“I submit that, dynamically, a key to their long-range interaction may be that ENSO and the Indian monsoon are antipodal to each other (just like the two poles). The earth’s spherical shape has interesting consequences when considering the propagation of climatic influence especially through the atmosphere, as it provides a way to communicate information to the longest distances. Every bit of information released at a source will eventually converge with all other bits (provided it survives dissipation) at their geographic antipode.”
- José A. Rial
https://www.jsmf.org/grants/2011021/
Rules for sea ice. When it’s warm, melt to let more heat out. When it’s cold, advance and insulate.
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Comment on Communicating climate science reconsidered by popesclimatetheory
Link to the latest short version of Pope’s Climate Theory.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dnzu75na9qjcjta/Pope%20Climate%20Theory%20-%20Short%20PDF.pdf
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