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Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by Bob Ludwick

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@ tonyb

“I have of course heard of the Tea Party, but in what ways do they differ materially from mainstream Republicans?”

It may be useful to remember that the name ‘TEA Party’ came from the acronym Taxed Enough Already (TEA).

While the people who feel that we are ‘Taxed Enough Already’ are (obviously) more likely to be sympathetic to Republican views rather than Democratic views, those who self identify with the TEA Party come from a wide variety of political backgrounds. It is not formally associated with the ‘mainstream Republicans’. In fact, the Republican Leadership is at least as implacable in its visceral hatred of the TEA Party as the progressives and in political races where candidates sympathetic to TEA Party principles are polling strongly, the progressives are usually happy to stand back and let the ‘mainstream Republicans’ destroy them. Sorta like the Consensus vs Dr. Curry.

The tarring of the ‘TEA Party’ as racist, sexist, homophobic, religious fundamentalist, anti-science, totalitarian bigots was done by–surprise–progressives, using Alinsky’s ‘Rules for Radicals’ as their playbook. A favorite tactic is for progressives to attend TEA Party rallies and wave racist etc and shout racist etc slogans. Why? It obviously works. Their efforts are picked up by the (progressive) MSM and featured prominently in their coverage of the TEA Party. See the comments on this thread which accept the above description of the TEA Party as gospel and assumes that anyone who defends it is–you guessed it–a racist, sexist, homophobic, religious fundamentalist, anti-science totalitarian bigot, just like the TEA Partiers. And all for the sin of thinking that we are ‘Taxed Enough Already. Never a safe slogan in the presence of a progressive.


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Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by Sparrow

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If Obama is a socialist imagine what he could do if he was a real conservative!

Today after the market closed Obama’s Commerce Dept. crushed the solar industry with import penalties up to 165.04% on Chinese and Taiwanese manufactures.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-finds-chinese-taiwanese-firms-dumped-solar-products-1406323563.
The US solar industry predicts the domestic market will loose up to 60% of residential solar business by 2015. When combined with expiring solar tax credit in 2016 it will be economically prohibitive to install residential solar systems. Don’t forget that there are at least 27 states trying to repeal net metering and renewable energy portfolios via legislation developed by ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council).

Obama reversed a 30 year ban on oil exploration off the east coast from Delaware to Florida.on July 18th. Industry estimates that there are 4.72 billion barrels of recoverable oil and 37.51 trillion cubic feet of natural gas off the Atlantic coast.
On Aug. 20th.Obama will auction off more than 21 million acres offshore Texas for oil and gas exploration and development in a lease sale that will include all available unleased areas in the Western Gulf of Mexico estimated at 116-200 million barrels of oil and 538-938 billion cubic feet of natural gas.
Obama had opened up the Arctic for expanded drilling back in 2013.

And to think after all this drilling and production the price for gas and energy just keeps rising, The average price of a gallon of gas has increased 96 percent since President Barack Obama first took office in 2009.

Obama has everyone fooled. To the left he’s a hypocrite, to the right he’s evil incarnate and to the 1% it’s been the greatest transfer of wealth in American history.
Jack Smith

Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by GaryM

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willard,

You can’t win the race game. You favor the party that fought to keep their slaves, the party that formed the KKK to lynch them once they were free; the party that fought to keep them in from voting with Jim Crow; the party that successfully fought to prevent the passage of civil rights legislation under Eisenhower; the party that was defeated in filibustering the civil rights acts under LBJ by conservative senators; the party who elected as majority leader of the Senate, as late as 1988, when he was still throwing the n-word with aplomb; the party that currently runs the “education” systems in almost every major US city that virtually all put Democrat campaign contributions and teacher union pensions ahead of the education they are supposed to be providing those children; the party of Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and other race/hate mongers who have gotten rich, by trading race baiting for a seat at the Democrat Party power table; the party that to this day keeps Davis-Bacon alive as a means to raise the bar to entry into construction and other trades to protect the white Democrat base.

Yeah. I’ll take conservatives who fought to free the slaves, imprison the Klan, end Jim Crow, passed the Civil Rights Amendments, let alone the civil rights acts, and have fought every Democrat scheme to keep African Americans poor, uneducated and dependent on the Democrat Party.

Racism is just another form of elitism. Which is why it has always been an institution of the Democrat Party itself. Democrats can’t own their slaves any more, so they have to settle for trying to make them dependent on government, for life.

Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by Jim Zuccaro

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+2, Steve. I agree.

Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by Jim Zuccaro

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Adaption is the only way. Evolution of the species; e.g. the biosphere after the Cambrian explosion.

Change the constitution of the atmosphere? You might as well try to empty the oceans with a bucket.

Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by Jim Zuccaro

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Meant; Adaption is and has been the only “policy”, ever, in all of biologic time. The evolutionary mechanism. That is why we are. And it is ‘blind to logic’!

Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by jim2

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Here’s an example of just how out of control the government is in the US.
From the article:

The pushback is not about students’ taste buds, but their wallets. Food fundraisers are a crucial source of revenue for schools, state education officials say. “Tough economic times have translated into fewer resources and these fundraisers allow our schools to raise a considerable amount of money for very worthwhile education programs,” the Georgia Department of Education wrote in a recent press release. “While we are concerned about the obesity epidemic, limiting food-and-beverage fundraisers at schools and school-related events is not the solution to solving it.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/the-government-is-cracking-down-on-school-bake-sales-20140725


Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by GaryM

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Oh, and a comment by cwon elsewhere on this thread reminded me of another of the Dem’s most racist current policies – the continued implementation of Margaret Sanger’s eugenicist dreams in Planned Parenthood. See if you can guess where Planned parenthood locates most of its health clinics/abortion abattoirs? Guess what party the white Supreme Court Justice who said the following belonged to – “Frankly I had thought that at the time [Roe v. Wade] was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

Marge Sanger would be so proud of today’s Democrat Party. Right along side Bull Connor, Robert Byrd, Lyndon Johnson and other proto-typical progressives. See, these weren’t cranks or minor functionaries who said ignorant and racist things. They are people with real, often enormous power, who racism was an integral part of their entire lives.

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Comment on Open thread by DocMartyn

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I bet that the regional deforestation had anything to do with it.

Comment on Towards a pragmatic ethics of climate change by ianl8888

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When listing the various activities that depend on 24/7 availability of electricity, most people miss the two big ones:

1) from the first second of power loss, you cannot access your money. No ATM’s, cash registers, bank computers etc. And no fuel for motor vehicles

2) from day 2, supermarkets are required by law to throw out food without refrigeration

That is, within three days absolute panic is the norm

Comment on Open thread by jim2

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And also, picking the right spot to settle in.

Comment on Open thread by Joseph

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Among the changes ignored are large improvements in quality-for-price over the years, changes in household size (fewer and fewer people per household is making comparisons of “household” income and wealth highly misleading), more and more non-wage benefits, more leisure time than ever before etc. etc.

At the same time we have seen family wages stagnate we have seen an increase of two wage earners in the household. I wouldn’t call that an improvement in quality of life or evidence of more leisure time.

Comment on Open thread by mosomoso

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Tom, how does it matter if temps or sea levels continue to go up? We’re in an interglacial, and the few cooler centuries preceding the 20th are no more typical of that interglacial than the warmer centuries before them.

Continents are a different shape to how they were a mere ten thousand years ago because of some pretty heavy-duty climate change. Some skeptics are fussing about “the pause”. Others couldn’t care less.


Comment on Open thread by jim2

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From the article:
Coolest Summer On Record In The US
Posted on July 26, 2014
The frequency of 90 degree days in the US has been plummeting for 80 years, and 2014 has had the lowest frequency of 90 degree days through July 23 on record. The only other year which came close was 1992, and that was due to dust in the atmosphere from Mt Pinatubo.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/coolest-summer-on-record-in-the-us/

Comment on Open thread by Joseph

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“owntrodden, but that is different from actually being so. I have been right about in the center of the middle class all my life, and my material quality of life, leisure, medical care etc. have improved dramatically since the 1960s and 70s….”

I would also add that household debt has skyrocketed and personal savings has fallen precipitously since that time. Which might explain why their “material quality of life” has improved. But it is really an illusion.

Comment on Open thread by Joseph

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And we know with all of that all of that coal use what an environmental paradise China has become… We should all strive to be more like China…

Comment on Open thread by mosomoso

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Among other measures, reforestation of steep land on Leyte has already saved lives after Thelma in 1991. In a place like that there will always be storms and threat to life, but money and engineering for conservation have already achieved great things. Cyclone Tracy, if it struck Darwin now, would not do the damage it did in 1974.

None of this is mysterious, and I doubt we need more jet trails to more climate conferences to seek a deeper definition of “mitigation”. We need to spend more money on conservation and no money at all on trying to manipulate the climate. Perhaps one last conference toward a better definition of “potty” would be in order.

Comment on Open thread by Rob Ellison

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Chaos in the physics sense is completely deterministic. It implies that the system consists of control variables and multiple negative and positive feedbacks leading to abrupt shifts between states. It is only by looking at long term behavior that one can begin to grasp some of the dynamics.

The particular dynamic starts with upwelling in the eastern Pacific that sets up feedbacks across the Pacific – including seesawing pressure fields. At some stage there is a relaxation event in the western Pacific – a shift in pressure and winds fields that seems to be triggered by the Madden-Julian Oscillation in the right circumstances.

So this is the starting point – but it explains none of the longer term modulation of the intensity and frequency of ENSO. Twenty to forty year patterns of shifts between states but also centennial and millennia shifts in intensity and frequency.

e.g. http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/Vance2012-AntarticaLawDomeicecoresaltcontent.jpg.html?sort=3&o=188

Shifts to enhanced El Nino in the 20th century – along with changes in ENSO period. Longer term persistence in a La Nina dominant state for centuries beforehand.

Multi-decadal variability in the Pacific is defined as the Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation (e.g. Folland et al,2002, Meinke et al, 2005, Parker et al, 2007, Power et al, 1999) – a proliferation of oscillations it seems. The latest Pacific Ocean climate shift in 1998/2001 is linked to increased flow in the north (Di Lorenzo et al, 2008) and the south (Roemmich et al, 2007, Qiu, Bo et al 2006) Pacific Ocean gyres. Roemmich et al (2007) suggest that mid-latitude gyres in all of the oceans are influenced by decadal variability in the Southern and Northern Annular Modes (SAM and NAM respectively) as wind driven currents in baroclinic oceans (Sverdrup, 1947).

SAM and NAM are in turn linked to higher and lower solar activity – and we go full circle with spinning up of the gyres setting the conditions for enhanced upwelling.

‘Figure 12 shows 2000 years of El Nino behaviour simulated by a state-of-the art climate model forced with present day solar irradiance and greenhouse gas concentrations. The richness of the El Nino behaviour, decade by decade and century by century, testifies to the fundamentally chaotic nature of the system that we are attempting to predict. It challenges the way in which we evaluate models and emphasizes the importance of continuing to focus on observing and understanding processes and phenomena in the climate system. It is also a classic
demonstration of the need for ensemble prediction systems on all time scales in order to sample the range of possible outcomes that even the real world could produce. Nothing is certain.’ http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/369/1956/4751.full.pdf

Chaotic is not chaotic and webby has not the slightest clue.

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